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Love-Hounds Digest			Sunday, May 11, 1986, 13:28 EDT

Today's Topics:

				KB on CD
			    Saturdays show.
		      Re:  KB and "Journey"...!?!
			     Re: Kate on CD
			  IED KT update, May 6
				  KTCD
			TK ni segassap sdrawkcaB

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Date: Tue, 6 May 86 10:34:49 EDT
From: Jean Marie Diaz <ambar@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject: KB on CD
Reply-To: ambar@artemis.MIT.EDU
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I was in Plastic Fantastic (an AWESOME used-disc store in the Philly
area) a few weeks ago, and saw a copy of The Kick Inside with the
Country/Western cover.  Didn't get it--my CD player is very much a
future thing....
					AMBAR
		"I need something to change your mind...."

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Subject: Saturdays show.
From: KNIGHT@MAINE (Michael Knight)
Date:    Tue, 6 May 1986 15:14 EDT

For those of you who haven't gotten around to reading the TV listings
for that Kate Bush concert coming up this Saturday night (Sunday Morning
technically..) here's the line up as I read it. It's on a show called
'Night Flight' on the USA Network.

    12:30 'A vidio profile of Kate Bush.' Sounds like that lineup of
          vidios we've all heard about recently.

     1:00 'Footage of a 1979 Kate Bush concert.' 60 minutes.

If you bothered to read on it repeats again at 4:30 and 5:00am
respectively. I know *I* plan on tapeing this. Let's all pray for no
interuptions by Captain Midnight.


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Date: Wed, 7 May 86 01:41:43 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re:  KB and "Journey"...!?!

> From: A. Marvick

> In reference to recent inexplicable comments published recently
> regarding "Not This Time": first of all I must state flatly that
> this track sounds absolutely nothing like "Journey".

Well, sure the vocals are distinctly Kate, and add some value to the
song, and there is elephantotic distortion on the guitar that Journey
would never use, but in general it has the melodic, rhythmic, and
over-produced characteristic (you know, the way that lots of
instruments all merge to create a muddled wash that is so common in
Journeyish AOR pop) of American corporate rock.

I'm not the first person to notice this either.   Before the single
was available here, I talked to Peter Morris in England.  He said
"People don't know what to make of 'Not This Time'.  They think Kate
is trying to do an American FM AOR song, like Boston or Chicago."
After hearing this I was all set to hear a cover of "More Than A
Feeling" done with Aborigine drums and Uillean pipes.  Now *that*
would have been cool!

> Second, it is extremely similar both in terms of production and song
> structure to Kate's other anthem-style Hounds of Love b-side,
> "Burning Bridge".

I don't think that "Burning Bridge" sounds anything like "Not This
Time".  I think "Burning Bridge" is really good!

			"I know what works for me"

			 Doug

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Date: Wed, 7 May 86 01:52:06 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re: Kate on CD

> From: ma3166ay <think!harvard!cmcl2!lanl!unmvax!unmc.cc!ma3166ay>

> Does anyone have a definitive list of all the Kate out on CD?  I don't just
> mean the stuff Green lists, I mean American, Japanese, and British pressings.
> Here's what I've seen.

>	Hounds of Love (of course, readily available even at the local
>		Sound Whorehouse)
>	The Kick Inside (Japanese -- Kate wearing pink, Japanese liner
>		notes)
>	Lionheart (I just saw it today, but didn't have the * $25 * they
>		wanted for it -- another Japanese import)

That *is* the definitive list.  Though *Lionheart* and *The Kick
Inside* are also available on British pressings for less.  The British
"Kick Inside" has the original cover of the album (i.e. the "Kite"
cover).

> Help!  I don't own a turntable or a working cassette deck!  I *NEED* more
> Kate!

This is why turntables are more important to own than CD players!

> From: Jean Marie Diaz <ambar@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>

> I was in Plastic Fantastic (an AWESOME used-disc store in the Philly
> area) a few weeks ago, and saw a copy of The Kick Inside with the
> Country/Western cover.  Didn't get it--my CD player is very much a
> future thing....

Are you *sure*???  The British CD has the "Kite" cover.  A "Tammy
Wynette" cover on "The Kick" would mean that the CD has been released
in the U.S.  I find that *very* hard to believe.

			-Doug

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Date:    Tue, 06 May 86 15:16 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
Subject: IED KT update, May 6

As usual, all verbiage from this
correspondent concerns KT and KT
only.
IED0DXM has just received a load of earlier
Love-Hounds material covering matters Ninth
Waveological, and would like to thank Bill
Hsu and Henry Chai, in particular, for their
helpful analyses.
The latest KBC Newsletter has apparently
made it official: there is now a competition
underway to decipher "what Kate is saying"
in "Watching You Without Me", although the
announcement does a bad job of pinpointing
the position of this message within the track.
The message still makes no more sense backwards
than it does forwards, although it is clear that
something is being said. There are two distinct
sections, the second being a repeated phrase saying
something like "Really see"
(this is Doug Alan's hearing, not
mine: could the words not be "We receive," or
even  "We recede"?).  I will shortly submit to Love-Hounds
a transcription of the first section as heard by me,
but without any confidence of its accuracy. What
interest me even more, however, are the two or three
seconds immediately preceding this "backwards" track,
during which time the Morse code signal for "S-O-S"
can be clearly heard. I have no trouble with that message;
however, if those moments are listened to again, another
sound, like that of a high-pitched, wavering short-wave
radio transmission, also becomes audible. Could this not
be another message in Morse code, put on a loop and then
sped up to nearly inaudible Hz levels? Who can clarify for
me?
     Henry Chai preceded me, I note, in deciding
that it was "unlikely" that the spelling of
Organon was unintentional; but at this point
I am willing to admit that even KT is able to
commit errors, albeit of the most trivial kind.
Knowing, however, of Kate's continued predilection
for cigarettes, it is equally possible that the
spelling is a veiled reference to an obscure
document of 1659, written by the physician Walter
Rumsey, entitled "Organon salutis: including divers
new experiments of tobacco and coffee: how much they
conduce to preserve humane health".
Mr. Chai also noted that he had a hard time reading
from the original works of Wilhelm Reich, because of the
seriousness of his tone. This tone is precisely what makes
Reich's pathology so fascinating (for as much as we may admire
the beauty of his ideas and sympathize with the persecution he
suffered at the hands of the U.S. government, it must be
admitted that Reich was, at least by the late 1940s, quite
mad). If Reich had simply taken to stumbling through the
streets of Manhattan, spouting harangues to the effect that
alien DOR forces were attacking the Earth in UFOs, and that
the only way to stop them was to open fire by shooting blue
Orgonotic energy rays into the sky through the agency of big
metal pipes, he would not be remembered today, except, perhaps,
for his early work in the field of Freudian psycho-analytic
scholarship. But because he channeled his dementia into the
narrow and highly disciplined forms of scholarly writing,
developing a large body of Orgonotical literature and publishing
heavily footnoted papers regularly in the Orgonon Press,
his name lives on, and his work is still sporadically referred
to by some of the flakier psychologists in business today.
Partly out of a feeling of empathy for such a means of justifying
one's obsessions, I have chosen to adopt Reich's pedantic forms and
ponderous style in dealing with the work of Kate Bush, since
this kind of obsessive interest in another person's life and
work is better disguised, I think, when couched in the dry-as-dust
language of the Orgonotic scholar.
Only two corrections to be made, off hand, to the transcription
of the dialogue in "Waking the Witch": The Priest asks,
"What is it, child?" I think, not "What child, what child?"
Also, in the "wake-up"-call section, I thought the male voice
which screams simultaneously with the female chorus of
"Your ma needs a shower. Get out of bed!" was not saying
"Sunday at nine and you're sleeping in bed. Get up!" Rather,
I hear: "Stop that lying and sleeping in bed. Get up!"I may
be wrong about the latter line, however.
Finally, I would like to relay the news that the promotional
film for "The Big Sky" is listed as being available for
licensed telecast in the May 8 (?) issue of Billboard.
Since it is extremely unlikely that "The Big Sky" will be
released as a single domestically, the film will in all
probability be ignored by most video programmers, MTV included,
unless we do something about it. Assuming everyone here wants
to see and/or record it, I urge another MTV dial-a-thon, with
the aim of getting at least one token cable-cast of "The Big Sky".
Could someone suggest a date and time? Thanks. Hey! What's that?
Looks like one of those...umm...

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Date:    Tue, 06 May 86 20:24 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
Subject: KTCD

Answering Ernie Longmire's question, those
are the only KT CDs on the market except
for the German CD of The Kick Inside, which
features the original UK cover.
I once (over a year ago) heard a rumor that
someone had seen a German CD of The Dreaming
in a store in Texas, of all places. This was
untrue. There has yet to appear a CD of either
Never For Ever or The Dreaming, though any serious
Kate Fan would tell you that quality of sound
reproduction is of relatively greater importance
for these two albums than for the
first two albums, The Kick Inside and Lionheart.
But everybody knows that the CD business is a mess.
-- Andrew Marvick

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Date:    Tue, 06 May 86 20:53 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
Subject: TK ni segassap sdrawkcaB

The precise location of the "backwards" track in "Watching
You Without Me" is at bar 64, ending at bar 78 (12 bars);
this translates as from 2:19 into the track to 2:48 (30
seconds). I think Paddy's entertaining demonstration of
how a backwards track is done was too simplistic.  There
is more going on here than simply learning the way a phrase
sounds when played backwards and then singing those sounds,
recording the vocal normally. First, there is Kate's tendency
to distort the sounds as she records them, through God knows
how many bizarre devices (the harmonizer being only one of
many, I am sure). Second, there are the odd echoes of rhythm
that can be heard behind the vocal when the record is played
normally, which sound very much like truly "backwards" tracks.
This would not be the case if all the sounds had been "learned"
and then recorded normally. A similar "backwardsiness" can
be detected in the "weirdness" passage from "Leave It Open".
This brings up the third and I think most important reason
for distrusting Paddy's simple explanation, namely, that
words do indeed seem to come out of the "weirdness" passage when
it is played backwards. After all, Kate seemed to be playing
a joke on fans when it turned out the "weirdness" message
was a forwards message after all. Isn't it likely that she's
playing a joke now, as well? The problem is, we're ready for
her, and she knows it; therefore, I'm convinced, the new puzzle
is somehow more complicated than the first one.
Heard forwards, these are the phonetics I'm hearing (these are
*very* tentative): "Zwoh neekh lawv zwoh neekh lawveet" (rest)
"eeb vee nahd widthawng ee noy" (repeat)
N.B.: The music book wrongly begins this passage at bar 65, one
of dozens of such errors to be found within the "official"
transcription.
This passage is then succeeded by what I believe is a separate
message, the one which consists of the repeated message "Really
see," or "We receive," or "We recede".
Can anyone make sense of any of this?
-- Andrew Marvick

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