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Love-Hounds Digest			Sunday, May 11, 1986, 13:58 EDT

Today's Topics:

			       Kate on CD
		      "Lively Lunch" or something
		       are YOU ready for this....
			   'C/W cover on CD'
	    If not this time, then when will you capitulate?
			      Danielle Dax

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From: Jeff Dalton <jeff%aiva.edinburgh.ac.uk@Cs.Ucl.AC.UK>
Date: Tue, 6 May 86 19:53:07 -0100
Subject: Kate on CD

> 
> From: ma3166ay <think!harvard!cmcl2!lanl!unmvax!unmc.cc!ma3166ay>
> Date: Fri, 2 May 86 23:07:03 mdt
> Subject: Kate CDs
> 
> Does anyone have a definitive list of all the Kate out on CD?  I don't just
> mean the stuff Green lists, I mean American, Japanese, and British pressings.

Not me, but I did happen to look at this part of Edinburgh Virgin taday.

> Here's what I've seen.
> 
>   Hounds of Love (of course, readily available even at the local
>                   Sound Whorehouse)

Ditto.  But the UK release is "Made in Japan".  (I've gotten the impression
that Japanese CDs are better made, in some way, is this true?)

>   The Kick Inside (Japanese -- Kate wearing pink, Japanese liner
>                    notes)

Made in Germany (I think), but a UK release (not an import).  "Normal" Gold
Kate on Kite cover.

>   Lionheart (I just saw it today, but didn't have the * $25 * they
>               wanted for it -- another Japanese import)

Another Japanese import.

I haven't seen any sign of The Dreaming or Never Forever.  We do have the
Cocteau Twins Treasure, though (or is that universal now?).

> but I can't play rumors on my D5

Pardon my ignorance, and my departure from the proper L-H discussion, but
what's a D5?


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From: bu-cs!sam
Date: Wed, 7 May 86 10:00:59 EDT
Subject: "Lively Lunch" or something


BOSTONIANS, REJOICE!  

It's a new activity for Thursday afternoons!  At the Marriot Copley
(in the Conservatory) at noon each week, you can see a local band
AND eat a delicious buffet lunch for (get this) $3.00!  This
Thursday:  Lou Miami.

See you there.

/shelli  (just kidding, Jordan.)


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Date: Mon, 5 May 86 09:49:50 edt
From: Slime Ball Petroleum Jelly <wicinski@nrl-css.arpa>
Subject: are YOU ready for this....


At a party I was at this weekend, somebody brought up Kate in a conversation
I was listening in on.  Then some girl said "Yea, Kate sounds almost
*exactly* like Donna Gocheaux (like Kieth and Donna...).  Yea, exactly.
So I had to jump in and set the record straight...Some people just never
leave the 60's.



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Date: Wed, 7 May 86 13:06:42 EDT
From: Jean Marie Diaz <ambar@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject: 'C/W cover on CD'
Reply-To: ambar@artemis.MIT.EDU
Usnail:     259 St. Paul St. Brookline, MA  02146
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Yes, I'm sure.  I've never seen any of the other covers, and I would
have remembered if this one was different.  The guy I was with pointed
out the Kate CD's to me--I was digging through the KB vinyl....

					AMBAR
		"I need something to change your mind...."

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Date:    Wed, 07 May 86 17:15 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
Subject: If not this time, then when will you capitulate?

 }Well, sure the vocals are distinctly Kate, and add some value to the
 }song, and there is elephantotic distortion on the guitar that Journey
 }would never use, but in general it has the melodic, rhythmic, and
 }over-produced characteristic (you know, the way that lots of
 }instruments all merge to create a muddled wash that is so common in
 }Journeyish AOR pop) of American corporate rock.
This is, after all, a matter of opinion, and I am trying to
remember that, but really! The stylistic similarities between
"Burning Bridge" and "Not This Time" are clearly audible--
far more audible than the similarities which you claim exist
between "Not This Time" and American corporate rock (good term).
Of course the vocals are "distinctly Kate", but what's more
significant is *how* they are distinctly Kate. One thing many listeners
notice when listening to, say, the final epic (and, by your definition,
apparently, "over-produced") choruses of "The Big Sky" is the
abandon, the deliberate throwing away of technical controls in Kate's
vocals. A similar liberated singing style can be heard in a more
understated form in "The Morning Fog". But this kind of singing
is much more obvious in "Burning Bridge" and "Not This Time", and
it does not, I argue, appear before the new album.  Beyond that, the
whole concept of structuring a song with the overwhelming emphasis
on a long closing sequence of choruses sung by Kate's voice many
times over-dubbed, and consisting of "tiddle-ee-ohs" or some
such traditional folk phonetics in the tradition of "tra-la-la",
is distinctive of these new Hounds of Love songs. Just think
of the background vocals in "Alternate Hounds" and you can see
immediately how similar they are to the chorus in "Not This Time".
Furthermore, such a concept, and such use of phonetic choruses,
are not only absent in Boston or Journey or Foreigner or Styx --
they are completely antithetical to the musical principles (or
absence of same) espoused by those bands. Furthermore, if I were
obliged to find similarities between the song and the music of
any of those bands, I *would* single out the guitar --
despite the "elephantotic distortion", the introduction of such
guitar in the last choruses is a staple of commercial American
rock. I might also cite Kate's use of the popular endearment "baby";
but this word cropped up in "Running Up That Hill" without condemning
the song as a sellout to "Journey". As to rhythm, there I'll agree
with you that its links with mainstream rock are strong, but not
so strong that the closest musical parallel to "Not This Time" must be
"Journey". The rhythms of rock have always been extremely limited,
and the differences between a brilliant, adventurous rock rhythm
and a dull, unoriginal one can usually be traced to slight changes
in emphasis of a beat and alterations of tuning, miking and recording
techniques. Finally, in response to your contention that "Not This
Time" shares melodic characteristics with "Journey", well, I'm
baffled. There are so many beautiful details of melody, both as
written and as interpreted, which are unique to "Not This Time",
and which place it so firmly within Kate's native English musical
tradition, that I am at a loss to understand how they can all have
failed to meet your notice.


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Date: Thu, 8 May 86 01:45:15 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Danielle Dax

I just got this EP by Danielle Dax called "Jesus Egg That Wept".
>From one listening, it seems pretty amazing.  Danielle Dax is a
strange one.  Most of the tracks on this record were recorded on a
4-track Teac, and she seems to like to mix tribal and Indian music.
This record contains the third song I've ever heard with an Aboriginal
rhythm (it also has a digeridoo, or something that sounds like one).

Danielle Dax was also in the movie "A Company of Wolves".  How come
no one mentioned this movie in the strange film discussion.  "A
Company of Wolves" is the closest to KB's music in spirit I've
ever seen a film come.  It is sort of a modern retelling of Little
Red Riding Hood, and has a very haunting feeling to it.

Does anyone know any more about Ms. Dax?

		"In a Holocaust-Haze your lunacy seems calm."

		 Doug

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