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Gun grabbers? C'mon.

Gun nuts all want all types of guns available all the time, with any kind of ammo, even when it's of a brand
that should rightfully (as even Bush admitted before his balls shrivelled on him) be available to the
military only.

The paranoid nut jobs all think the U.N. or the feds or some "jack booted thugs" are coming to kick the doors
in and take your guns. Ain't gonna happen.

Meanwhile, the rest of us who don't quake like a Frenchman in a wind storm don't need a bunch of hillbillies
running around with guns in their waistbands. It's just asking for trouble. This is modern America, not the
old west.

Oh, and I love your example about the nutcase with the gun. If all the paranoiacs, as well as the crooks who
run the NRA, would allow background check data to remain in place instead of getting flushed immediately, we
could far more easily weed out the nuts and the criminal straw buyers, and keep guns OUT of the hands of
people like that guy.


http://www.correctopinions.com


marty12@hotmail.com wrote:

> The whole point of this story is that the gun grabbers are about to make
> it more difficult for Indiana residents to get carry permits.
>
> The killer in the article held no Indiana carry permit, yet these gun
> grabbers are taking advantage of this shooting by treating it as if it
> were done by one of us.  Once these gun grabbing bastards get this door
> opened,  we will be saddled with more than just "training."  We'll find
> our ability to own and carry limited to a host of do's and don'ts as CCW
> holders are burdened with in other states.
>
> Complain to your state official about this blatant attempt at attacking
> the rights of Indiana citizens to own and carry.
>
> http://www.in.gov/legislative/legislators/
>
> http://www.in.gov/legislative/contact/index.html
>
> ++++++++++++++++
>
> http://www.purdueexponent.org/interface/bebop/showstory.php?date=2004/08/30&section=columns&storyid=index
>
> State needs sensible gun laws
> With the death of Indianapolis Police Department Officer Timothy Laird,
> who was shot and killed on Aug.18 by Kenneth Anderson with an SKS
> military-style rifle, many gun-control activist groups are calling for a
> renewed ban on assault rifles, saying they are the most dangerous guns
> on the streets.
>
> However, the SKS is not an assault rifle. According to Purdue professor
> David Koltick, head adviser and rifle coach of the Purdue Rifle and
> Pistol Club, the SKS is a primitive, cheaply made Chinese gun with low
> bullet storage capacity. Military-style semiautomatic weapons such as
> this were specifically designed to wound, not kill. If a soldier is
> wounded on the battlefield, it creates an advantage for the enemy
> because he causes a distraction that needs medical attention.
>
> Two weeks from today, the 1994 Assault Weapons Act, which prohibits the
> sale of 19 different types of semiautomatic weapons such as the AK-47,
> Uzi and TEC-9, will expire unless renewed by Congress by Sept. 13.
> Federal lawmakers in 1994 put a 10-year moratorium on the possession,
> manufacture or transfer of 19 specific models of assault rifles thinking
> it would reduce gun violence in the United States.
>
> There are several bills waiting in Congress that would reauthorize the
> ban.
>
> However, the Assault Weapons Act has had little effect on crime rates
> and is not attributed to a decrease in gun-related hostility, according
> to a recently released study by the National Institute of Justice, the
> research agency of the U.S. Justice Department. Assault weapons are used
> in 1 to 2 percent of violent crimes, experts approximated.
>
> Koltick relates the ban on assault weapons to not letting streetwalkers
> wear lipstick  it doesn�t stop the problem. He said the assault rifle
> definition in the bill is ill-defined, and only cosmetic changes have to
> be made to a rifle to make it legal to sell. Changing the handgrip,
> taking off the bayonet log and reducing the magazine (the chamber where
> extra bullets are held) capacity is all it takes for an illegal assault
> rifle to become legal. Koltick said all of these changes don�t affect
> the lethality of the gun. When was the last time someone was killed with
> a bayonet?
>
> The real problem associated with the Laird shooting was that Anderson, a
> certified schizophrenic, had any gun in his possession at all. Stricter
> laws governing gun licenses and, more importantly, the renewal of gun
> licenses need to be in place. Indiana has the second highest rate of gun
> permits per person in the nation. One out of every 15 Indiana adult
> residents has a permit to carry a gun outside the home with about 76,000
> gun permits issued in 2003.
>
> Indiana needs to take a cue from Ohio and require gun training before
> approving a permit to carry a gun. Ohio requires permit applicants to go
> through 12 hours of weapons training (shooting for two hours on a range
> and learning for 10 hours in a classroom) before they are eligible for
> approval. The training will assure that Indiana�s permit owners have at
> least a basic understanding of how to operate a firearm. This will
> lessen the chance of gun accidents happening (around 802 accidental gun
> deaths in 2001) and increase gun owners� ability to properly defend
> themselves in a dangerous situation.
>
> The Indiana State Police also need to start checking applicants� mental
> history as part of enhanced background checks. People should not have
> access to guns if they have had to be detained due to an emergency and
> taken to the hospital by police for mental screening. The state police
> check an applicant�s Indiana criminal history and check an applicant�s
> name against a national database maintained by the FBI, but there is no
> check of an applicant�s mental history.
>
> In the case of Kenneth Anderson, a year ago he was detained due to
> emergency by the police and taken to an Indianapolis hospital. Police
> confiscated the guns he had in his home. Anderson was released by the
> hospital after being diagnosed with schizophrenia. When he went to the
> police station to get his guns back, the police had no legal recourse to
> keep his guns from him even though he was thought mentally unstable.
>
> Bill Shipley, who serves Indianapolis police as a psychologist through
> the Employee Assistance Program, said he would like to see a hearing
> before a judge in emergency detention situations such as the one
> involving Anderson. He said the police need to be given discrepancy
> power to refuse to return confiscated guns to a person they�ve had to
> admit into a hospital on an emergency basis. A judge should determine in
> these situations whether a patient�s guns should be returned to him.
>
> I hope this shooting will help shed some light on glaring problems in
> the state�s gun control policies. Preventable deaths such as Laird�s
> need to be the foundation for gun laws that make sense.

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Gun grabbers? C'mon.
<p>Gun nuts all want all types of guns available all the time, with any
kind of ammo, even when it's of a brand that should rightfully (as even
Bush admitted before his balls shrivelled on him) be available to the military
only.
<p>The paranoid nut jobs all think the U.N. or the feds or some "jack booted
thugs" are coming to kick the doors in and take your guns. Ain't gonna
happen.
<p>Meanwhile, the rest of us who don't quake like a Frenchman in a wind
storm don't need a bunch of hillbillies running around with guns in their
waistbands. It's just asking for trouble. This is modern America, not the
old west.
<p>Oh, and I love your example about the nutcase with the gun. If all the
paranoiacs, as well as the crooks who run the NRA, would allow background
check data to remain in place instead of getting flushed immediately, we
could far more easily weed out the nuts and the criminal straw buyers,
and keep guns OUT of the hands of people like that guy.
<br>&nbsp;
<p><A HREF="http://www.correctopinions.com">http://www.correctopinions.com</A>
<br>&nbsp;
<p>marty12@hotmail.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The whole point of this story is that the gun grabbers
are about to make
<br>it more difficult for Indiana residents to get carry permits.
<p>The killer in the article held no Indiana carry permit, yet these gun
<br>grabbers are taking advantage of this shooting by treating it as if
it
<br>were done by one of us.&nbsp; Once these gun grabbing bastards get
this door
<br>opened,&nbsp; we will be saddled with more than just "training."&nbsp;
We'll find
<br>our ability to own and carry limited to a host of do's and don'ts as
CCW
<br>holders are burdened with in other states.
<p>Complain to your state official about this blatant attempt at attacking
<br>the rights of Indiana citizens to own and carry.
<p><a href="http://www.in.gov/legislative/legislators/">http://www.in.gov/legislative/legislators/</a>
<p><a href="http://www.in.gov/legislative/contact/index.html">http://www.in.gov/legislative/contact/index.html</a>
<p>++++++++++++++++
<p><a href="http://www.purdueexponent.org/interface/bebop/showstory.php?date=2004/08/30&section=columns&storyid=index">http://www.purdueexponent.org/interface/bebop/showstory.php?date=2004/08/30&amp;section=columns&amp;storyid=index</a>
<p>State needs sensible gun laws
<br>With the death of Indianapolis Police Department Officer Timothy Laird,
<br>who was shot and killed on Aug.18 by Kenneth Anderson with an SKS
<br>military-style rifle, many gun-control activist groups are calling
for a
<br>renewed ban on assault rifles, saying they are the most dangerous guns
<br>on the streets.
<p>However, the SKS is not an assault rifle. According to Purdue professor
<br>David Koltick, head adviser and rifle coach of the Purdue Rifle and
<br>Pistol Club, the SKS is a primitive, cheaply made Chinese gun with
low
<br>bullet storage capacity. Military-style semiautomatic weapons such
as
<br>this were specifically designed to wound, not kill. If a soldier is
<br>wounded on the battlefield, it creates an advantage for the enemy
<br>because he causes a distraction that needs medical attention.
<p>Two weeks from today, the 1994 Assault Weapons Act, which prohibits
the
<br>sale of 19 different types of semiautomatic weapons such as the AK-47,
<br>Uzi and TEC-9, will expire unless renewed by Congress by Sept. 13.
<br>Federal lawmakers in 1994 put a 10-year moratorium on the possession,
<br>manufacture or transfer of 19 specific models of assault rifles thinking
<br>it would reduce gun violence in the United States.
<p>There are several bills waiting in Congress that would reauthorize the
<br>ban.
<p>However, the Assault Weapons Act has had little effect on crime rates
<br>and is not attributed to a decrease in gun-related hostility, according
<br>to a recently released study by the National Institute of Justice,
the
<br>research agency of the U.S. Justice Department. Assault weapons are
used
<br>in 1 to 2 percent of violent crimes, experts approximated.
<p>Koltick relates the ban on assault weapons to not letting streetwalkers
<br>wear lipstick&nbsp; it doesn�t stop the problem. He said the assault
rifle
<br>definition in the bill is ill-defined, and only cosmetic changes have
to
<br>be made to a rifle to make it legal to sell. Changing the handgrip,
<br>taking off the bayonet log and reducing the magazine (the chamber where
<br>extra bullets are held) capacity is all it takes for an illegal assault
<br>rifle to become legal. Koltick said all of these changes don�t affect
<br>the lethality of the gun. When was the last time someone was killed
with
<br>a bayonet?
<p>The real problem associated with the Laird shooting was that Anderson,
a
<br>certified schizophrenic, had any gun in his possession at all. Stricter
<br>laws governing gun licenses and, more importantly, the renewal of gun
<br>licenses need to be in place. Indiana has the second highest rate of
gun
<br>permits per person in the nation. One out of every 15 Indiana adult
<br>residents has a permit to carry a gun outside the home with about 76,000
<br>gun permits issued in 2003.
<p>Indiana needs to take a cue from Ohio and require gun training before
<br>approving a permit to carry a gun. Ohio requires permit applicants
to go
<br>through 12 hours of weapons training (shooting for two hours on a range
<br>and learning for 10 hours in a classroom) before they are eligible
for
<br>approval. The training will assure that Indiana�s permit owners have
at
<br>least a basic understanding of how to operate a firearm. This will
<br>lessen the chance of gun accidents happening (around 802 accidental
gun
<br>deaths in 2001) and increase gun owners� ability to properly defend
<br>themselves in a dangerous situation.
<p>The Indiana State Police also need to start checking applicants� mental
<br>history as part of enhanced background checks. People should not have
<br>access to guns if they have had to be detained due to an emergency
and
<br>taken to the hospital by police for mental screening. The state police
<br>check an applicant�s Indiana criminal history and check an applicant�s
<br>name against a national database maintained by the FBI, but there is
no
<br>check of an applicant�s mental history.
<p>In the case of Kenneth Anderson, a year ago he was detained due to
<br>emergency by the police and taken to an Indianapolis hospital. Police
<br>confiscated the guns he had in his home. Anderson was released by the
<br>hospital after being diagnosed with schizophrenia. When he went to
the
<br>police station to get his guns back, the police had no legal recourse
to
<br>keep his guns from him even though he was thought mentally unstable.
<p>Bill Shipley, who serves Indianapolis police as a psychologist through
<br>the Employee Assistance Program, said he would like to see a hearing
<br>before a judge in emergency detention situations such as the one
<br>involving Anderson. He said the police need to be given discrepancy
<br>power to refuse to return confiscated guns to a person they�ve had
to
<br>admit into a hospital on an emergency basis. A judge should determine
in
<br>these situations whether a patient�s guns should be returned to him.
<p>I hope this shooting will help shed some light on glaring problems in
<br>the state�s gun control policies. Preventable deaths such as Laird�s
<br>need to be the foundation for gun laws that make sense.</blockquote>
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