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De 1 Oct 1998 05:10:20 GMT, Louis RAPHAEL <raphael@cs.mcgill.ca> a
�crit dans le message:


hi.   I remember your name from somewhere...   oh  you replied to my
article on how inactive mcgill.* newsgroup was.

>I've done that. Reactions are interesting. 

=)

> Some people get embarassed
>and pick it up, 

yeah... i guess most of the kids will pick up while some of the adults
won't.

> some say "So whattaya gonna do about it?" 

> but by far
>the most common reaction is a comment about how there's so much
>already that what's one more. 

yep.   others are doing it so let's do it also... I hate this idea.

> Which brings me to start ranting that
>5-10 years ago, there was much less garbage on the streets of Mtl, as
>I remember it (anyone care to correct me?).


>: A girl and young lady... well... I couldn't say anything to them
>: probably because I was thinking of something...    A long time ago...
>: more than 6 months ago I guess... near C.- V. Metro station, I saw a
>: cum police car ("cum" = communaute urbaine de montreal...), which the
>: police officer threw her cigarette from the car window.   Yeah right.
>: They show us a good example of how people should live in society...

>Well, I hate cops as much as any other self-respecting Montrealer, but
>I have to say that almost /all/ smokers do this, and I can't say I
>find it all that bad, as within a few days, the cigarette butt will
>have turned into much/earth again. 

yeah... i know... but my point wasn't just cigarette you know... it
can be a wrapping of gum etc...  cans too... but usually cans get
picked up very quickly by someone who tries to change it for $$.
again... $$ is involved.

> Not that I'm advocating the
>practice, mind, you - but I don't find it half as bad as throwing
>wrapping foils and the like. 

true.

> Myself, grape seeds and the occasional
>plum/peach core (in a location like the middle of a hedge) are about
>the only things I'll throw around.

yeah... I don't care about throwing it in the middle of nowhere.  I
just don't want to see it in the metro or bus or wherever...

>: Remember of toy store incident (police officer, stealing of toys) 6
>: months back ?      Remember of recent VIP stickers... (by mtl city
>: workers...)

>I think that the VIP incident is much more telling. The theft was one
>case, and it didn't really have anything to do with him being a cop,
>IMHO. The VIP incident shows in just what way the pigs (and
>fellow-travellers, the Green Onions) have the US vs. THEM mentality.

>: Anyways... as for the garbages... I now pick up the garbages when I
>: see them.   I just couldn't ignore it.   I hope kids to see me when I
>: pick up the garbages... not to see someone who throws it on the
>: floor... I don't want kids to see cops and I don't want children to
>: see adults.   Probably I am doing something wrong.   I get nasty
>: eyes... but I just can't be a part of community here.  I just can't be
>: a usual person here.

>Well, it's quite good of you to do that. Do try to work up the nerve
>to tell people, too - even if they don't pick it up, I think it still
>has an effect on many. 

yeah... and if they don't pick it up i pick it up and throw it to
them... and they will probably kill me.

> BTW, for the record, I'm in favour some a
>penalty like ~20 hours of community service picking up garbage (on the
>street, metro stations, etc) for getting caught littering. I think that
>this would be a case of the punishment fitting the crime, as well as
>solving the problem.

no.   penalty should be something like 10 years in prison.     I hate
the idea of restricting what people do but throwing garbages on the
street or public places including gums on the floor isn't acceptable
for me.
>: Any comments ?   If you see a garbage in the train, are you going to
>: pick it up and throw away in the trash can or... you ignore it because
>: it is not yours and be normal like others ?

>Yes... mostly because I'm the kind of guy who feels he has to wash his
>hands after, and god-knows-what-sickness-you-can-catch from the can
>kind of thing. 

> I pick up a fair bit of junk around the university
>common room, though... I get my "revenge" on the people who leave
>things hanging around by not being overly selective about what I throw
>out... 

> dirty tupperware and socks on the middle of the table get
>junked, 

yep!  which common roon are you referring to ?

>tough-luck-shouldn't-have-left-it-there style. 

> There's nothing
>that pisses me off more than people who finish eating/drinking and
>leave the wrappers/cans on the table. 

> I've been known to stuff them in
>their mailboxes...

you see... and students are paying for their "food" by the mean of
student fees... oh well.

welcome to 21st century.  the world of freedom.



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