🚀 go-pugleaf

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Note followups.

In article <DK6pp3.5G7@freenet.carleton.ca> Colin R. Leech 
(ag414@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

> Rosco (Roger_Walker@CUEHere.bohica.net) writes:
> > Ham radios serve a sometimes useful purpose, but are often a form of
> > recreation which harms no one; occasionally they are abused. The same can
> > be said about firearms.

> Huh? I've never heard of a ham radio being lethal to someone when abused.

Why do you put words into my mouth. I've included the entire quote to show
that I said no such thing. I did say "abused."

> I suppose you could bash someone over the head with one, but this is
> hardly in the same league with lethal firearms. Get real.

Although that is entirely possible, ham radios could also be used to
transmit information that could be used in terrorism, much like the
Internet. After all, we ARE discussing the POTENTIAL for abuse and death,
not a specific incident: C-68 treats responsible firearms owners as if they
had already committed a crime ONLY because there is the POTENTIAL. Well, the
potential exists with EVERYTHING. If you only advocate prior restraint
without justification for firearms, you are a hypocrite.

> > A simple glance at a chart of "death by" will show you that death by
> > firearms is way at the bottom (I believe on a par with death by
> > lightning).

> Because our guns laws are fairly strict already.

Which is more evidence that we don't need even more wasteful regulation.

> Now look at the US stats.
> I believe firearms are the *leading* cause of death among certain
> demographic groups (young coloured men, for example) - outstripping even
> cars. Now compare us to Western European countries. There is certainly a
> correlation between the deaths by guns and the severity of the gun laws.

Look at New York City, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C. Strictest firearms
laws around and highest incidence of crime and violence. Look at Vermont,
which has the least strict firearms laws, and also has the lowest incidence
of crime and violence. States which have enacted progressive concealed carry
laws have a crime and violence rate about 20% BELOW the national average.
Yes, there is a correlation, but it is INVERSE.

- -- 
               SysOp, CUE Here BBS  (403) 465-7715
                 Roger_Walker@CUEHere.bohica.net
               Roger_Walker@CUEHere.Edmonton.AB.CA

    PGP Public Key from:  Roger_Walker_PGP@CUEHere.Edmonton.AB.CA


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2

iQEVAwUBMOH5SqZ872JZyB+1AQEE8AgAmxn05FEt9LQJrfVvm8ULc4OB1I2UvKdk
eH59UINHg3Lo3BQ83EzxwiqLS0wpCmx41a20EssaFhOY3uNpdZEnb9aAuFfruCLq
bwp6v+buwQNlt//FSYEE/7hDn1GFRtou9k0SUjOKCwA5nuHll+abDhdTYMHCD8/5
07duzW9z7ZQspuk5BJq1w2H1UeHT/reqvryHjEGc+egwXGnv1oYkpYX/u8153BsO
9ZbhHp4vTshjQ0sAeLpATQrMlQfItTv11hFiw8Dk1MfuDQnSJUZFVYMteNp9ZxJJ
wOwCyYLYBPu+PdW4nbyHqwGJSm9vbcslNHQhSAfPw11Fao0j5WTEIg==
=Fq/C
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----