🚀 go-pugleaf

see the article alt.god.grubor for a follow-up to this thread.

Symm (x11x@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: In <32820124.629E@orion.polaristel.net> winky
: <drewt@orion.polaristel.net> writes: 
: >
: >Aga wrote:
: >
: >> 
: >> I doubt it, boy.  Dr. Grubor and his Medpot(c) Foundation and
: National
: >> NORML all had a talk with the NETCOM Corporate Administration.
: >> 
: >> NETCOM will be keeping both the sci.med.cannabis and
: misc.activism.cannabis
: >> newsgroups PERMANENTLY !!
: >> 
: >> -aga.admin
: >> 
: >> Medpot(c) Foundation
: >
: >
: >What, did Grubor (he's not a Doc, he's a disbarred lawyer)

: He has a Doctorate of Law, dude.  And the fact is he quit the practice
: of Law for other people, so he could sue more people on his own behalf.
: I had some e-mail with him yesterday, and he is now going to use his
: Law Systems Institute to sue NETCOM.

: Just look at this shit:

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: From: x11x@ix.netcom.com(Symm)
: Subject: Re: Political Hacking at NETCOM ?/Re:Doonsbury and California
: 215
: To:  support@netcom.com (NETCOM Technical Support)
: Cc:  natlNORML@aol.com
: Cc:  medpot@pgh.org
: Cc:  esq@pgh.org
: Cc:  drgrubor@aol.com
: Cc:  boursy@zipnet.net
: You wrote: 
: >
: >> From x11x@ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov  7 04:21:36 1996
: >> Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com 
: [206.214.98.7]) by office3.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) with 
: ESMTP id EAA11461; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:21:35 -0800
: >> Received: from  (x11x@pit-pa1-13.ix.netcom.com [199.183.195.45]) by 
: dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA14065; Thu, 7 Nov

: 1996 04:21:00 -0800
: >> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:21:00 -0800
: >> Message-Id: <199611071221.EAA14065@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
: >> From: x11x@ix.netcom.com (Symm)
: >> Subject: Political Hacking at NETCOM ?/Re:Doonsbury and California 
: 215
: >> To: Eric Golden <nc0225@corp.netcom.com>
: >> Cc: natlnorml@aol.com
: >> Cc: medpot@pgh.org
: >> Cc: drgrubor@aol.com
: >> Cc: esq@pgh.org
: >> Cc: support@office.netcom.com
: >> 
: >> Dear Mr. Golden:
: >> 
: >> First of all, on behalf of natlNORML and the Medpot(c) Foundation,
: >> I wish to thank you for your Administrative action taken by you to
: >> add the two medical cannabis newsgroups to the NETCOM server.
: >> 
: >> As you said, both of the newsgroups showed up on the news-server
: >> yesterday.  However, when we checked this morning, they were gone.
: >> 
: >> Since 215 passed, this is a hot political issue Nationwide now, and 
: >> somebody has apparently conducted a political hacking of the NETCOM 
: >> news-server.  I was under the impression that the NETCOM corporate 
: >> administration made the decisions in the newsgroup matters, and that


: >> they were not subject to outside influence.  However, with what has 
: >> occurred, that "appears" not to be the case.
: >> 
: >> In essence, we relied upon your e-mail, and your position as a 
: >> Corporate Officer of NETCOM, and we advised a great number of our 
: >> members (NORML and Medpot(c) Foundation) to join up with NETCOM 
: because 
: >> you had started carrying these two medical cannabis newsgroups, and 
: I 
: >> was under the impression that your decision was final. You are the
: >> corporate administrator who gives orders to the newsgroup technical
: >> people, correct?  It was for the medical patients nationwide
: >> that we requested these newsgroups.
: >> 
: >> What is most likely here is that your news-server has been 
: politicaly 
: >> hacked.  This is common on usenet, so we do understand.
: >> 
: >> However, if you could please check into this matter and see who
: >> removed these newsgroups from the NETCOM server, we would be greatly
: >> appreciative.  And we would really also appreciate it if you can
: >> get these newsgroups back on the NETCOM news-server as soon as
: >> possible, as this has now become a very embarassing situation
: >> for the members of both NORML and the Medpot(c) Foundation.
: >> 
: >> AOL keeps these newsgroups on their server, and keeps them
: >> protected from rmgroup hacking such as this, and we know
: >> of dozens of other ISPs who now do the same thing.  So, would
: >> appreciate it if you could institute the same safeguards
: >> into your INN software at NETCOM to keep this from happening again.
: >> 
: >> I will be happy to speak with your News Administrator and
: >> show him how to create the INN patch in the software, if
: >> necessary, but I am sure any technical newsgoup personnel
: >> can do the same patch. BTW, what is the name of the person at NETCOM
: >> who is in charge of the Usenet Newsgroup Administration?
: >> Should I direct this communication to him?
: >> 
: >> Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in connection
: >> with this matter.
: >> 
: >> Sincerely Yours,
: >> 
: >> Symm/member of
: >> Medpot(c) Foundation
: >> and natlNORML
: >> 
: >> You wrote: 
: >> >
: >> >Symm writes:
: >> >> From support@corp.netcom.com  Sat Nov  2 07:18:25 1996
: >> >> Received: from ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (ixmail6.ix.netcom.com 
: >> [199.182.120.56]) by office3.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) 
: with 
: >> ESMTP id HAA20421 for <ixsuppor@office.netcom.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 
: >> 07:18:24 -0800
: >> >> Received: from office.corp.netcom.com (office.corp.netcom.com 
: >> [199.35.110.101]) by ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
: >> >>      id HAA07666; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:14:21 -0800 (PST)
: >> >> Received: (from support@localhost) by office.corp.netcom.com 
: >> (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) id HAA19752 for support@ix.netcom.com; Sat, 2 
: Nov 
: >> 1996 07:14:06 -0800
: >> >> Received: from mail5.netcom.com (root@mail5.netcom.com 
: >> [192.100.81.141]) by office.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) 
: with 
: >> ESMTP id HAA19749 for <support@office.netcom.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 
: >> 07:14:05 -0800
: >> >> Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com 
: >> [206.214.98.4]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom)
: >> >>      id HAA25343; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:13:49 -0800
: >> >> Received: from pit-pa3-14.ix.netcom.com 
: >> (x11x@pit-pa3-14.ix.netcom.com [199.183.195.110]) by 
: >> dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA03403; Sat, 2 
: Nov 
: >> 1996 07:12:40 -0800
: >> >> Message-ID: <327B8EE7.3CFB@ix.netcom.com>
: >> >> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 10:11:51 -0800
: >> >> From: Symm <xiix@ix.netcom.com>
: >> >> Organization: Matrix Systems
: >> >> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250  (Win16; U)
: >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0
: >> >> To: support@netcom.com
: >> >> CC: natlnorml@aol.com, medpot@pgh.org
: >> >> Subject: Doonsbury and California 215
: >> >> X-URL: http://www.netcom.com/netcom/contact.html
: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: >> >> 
: >> >> Dear NETCOM Support:
: >> >> 
: >> >> We just tried out your new NETCOM service here, as we are 
: planning
: >> >> to move to California soon and we knew you were a California 
: based
: >> >> Corporation.  Upon seeing your webpage, we were very happy to see


: >> the 
: >> >> Doonsbury comics on the front page, as he discusses Proposition 
: 215
: >> >> for California, which is being voted on next week.  However, much

: to 
: >> 
: >> >> our dismay, when we checked the Usenet news service, we found 
: that 
: >> both 
: >> >> propsition 215 newsgroups were missing from your server.
: >> >> 
: >> >> Could you please tell us how we can get these very important 
: >> California
: >> >> and nationally important Newsgroups added to the news-server here

: as 
: >> soon
: >> >> as possible.  AOL carries both of these newsgroups, and we can 
: not 
: >> understand
: >> >> why NETCOM does not have them here.  Just who is the 
: >> newsadministrator
: >> >> for NETCOM? -- we need to get the sci.med.cannabis and the 
: >> misc.activism.cannabis
: >> >> newsgroups added to the news-server as soon as possible.
: >> >> 
: >> >> Thank you much for your assistance in this urgent matter.  With 
: the
: >> >> election coming next week, these newsgroups are of the utmost 
: >> importance
: >> >> to the medical patients in California and other parts of the 
: >> country.
: >> >> 
: >> >> The AIDS patients and other medical Cannabis users thank you for 
: >> your 
: >> >> kind assistance in getting these newsgroups on the NETCOM server 
: as 
: >> soon 
: >> >> as possible.  This is a medical newsgroup neccessity, and we are 
: >> just trying to
: >> >> have the same newsgroups here as AOL and GNN does.
: >> >> 
: >> >> Regards,
: >> >> 
: >> >> Symm
: >> >> 
: >> >
: >> >Hello,
: >> >
: >> >Thank you for requesting the above active news groups.  To conserve
: >> >resources, it is not our policy to add newly created news groups to


: >> our
: >> >server until requested.  Our News administrators will add it to our
: >> >server as soon as possible.
: >> >
: >> (irrelevant text cut)
: >> 
: >> >If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate

: to
: >> >contact us again.
: >> >
: >> >- Eric C. Golden
: >> >
: >> 
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: >> >            |_|       
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: >> >
: >> 
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: >> >
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: >For a more immediate answer in the future, please see these two new
: >services:
: >
: >Fax on Demand:        1-800-NETNET3 (1-800-638-6383)
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: >
: >Hello,
: >
: >The removal of the above newsgroups is not due to any attempted 
: censorship
: >on Netcom's part, nor is it due to any opinion that NETCOM On-Line
: >Communication Services has on cannabis.  Instead, NETCOM honors the
: >standard process of creating a newsgroup in the "big seven"  
: hierarchy. 

: That is a bunch of crap.  NETCOM said it would add ANY newsgroup that
: we wanted when we signed up.  And there is no Big-7 anymore.

: Both of those newsgroups have neen carried by AOL for months.
: Is NETCOM controlled by some outside forces?

: You just may end up getting AOL investigated by the justice
: department for this.  We were told yesterday by a Mr. Eric Golden that
: those newsgroups would be added as soon as possible, and we relied on 
: that.  Just who is the Corporation Officer in sharge of UseNet?


: >If you need to have a newsgroup, you are free to newgroup an article 
: in
: >the alt hierarchy, after discussion in the newsgroup alt.config. 
: >

: That is also a bunch of crap. We are not going to go by any
: UUNET rules of censorship at NETCOM here.  You are acting as
: an agent of the UUNET cabal by doing this, and you are going
: to get NETCOM sued in Court.

: >The fact we had these newsgroups in our spool yesterday was due to a 
: >mistake on our part, where we honored forged newgroup commands.  We 
: >apologize for any confusion on our part.
: >

: Well, you had better replace them at once, or we are going to
: sue NETCOM. Since proposition 215 has passed, we are going to
: make this a Nationwide thing.  There are Dozens of other ISPs 
: on the InterNet that carry those two medical cannabis newsgroups,
: so why can't NETCOM?

: >It does sometimes seem unfair that it is difficult to create 
: newsgroups in
: >the "big seven" hierarchy.  

: Where have you been?  It is a big-8 now, and not a big seven.
: And that has NOTHING to do with NETCOM.


: The reason for this is to minimize the chaos
: >present in the alt hierarchy, where newsgroups have limited 
: propagation,

: That is bullshit.  Go check dejanews, and you will see that
: the misc.activism.cannabis newsgroup has over a thousand
: articles on it.  You are not going to get away with this without
: a Court fight.  You MUST carry the medical cannabis newsgroups for
: a medical necessity, and that is all there is to it.

: >a number of bogus newsgroups with little meaningful content exist, and
: >less respect is held for these newsgroups by many news servers. 
: >

: Look, obviously, you do not know much about Usenet.

: >If you have any questions about this matter, please contact us again 
: at 
: >support@netcom.com.
: >

: I suggest that you telephone me at (412) 829-7853
: as soon as possible.  If you do not, I am going to get
: my Lawyer and sue NETCOm for this action.



: >If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to
: >contact us again.
: >
: >- Sam 
: >

: Look Sam, Eric said he would add the group.  Is Eric your Boss or are
: you Eric's boss?  


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: >                      24-Hour Technical Support:  (408) 983-5970 
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: >

: Dr. Grubor from the Medpot(c) foundation will be calling you
: within a few minutes.  Please be available.  What is your
: last name anyway?

: This action is being posted to UseNet.

:                 Symm




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