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In <32820124.629E@orion.polaristel.net> winky
<drewt@orion.polaristel.net> writes: 
>
>Aga wrote:
>
>> 
>> I doubt it, boy.  Dr. Grubor and his Medpot(c) Foundation and
National
>> NORML all had a talk with the NETCOM Corporate Administration.
>> 
>> NETCOM will be keeping both the sci.med.cannabis and
misc.activism.cannabis
>> newsgroups PERMANENTLY !!
>> 
>> -aga.admin
>> 
>> Medpot(c) Foundation
>
>
>What, did Grubor (he's not a Doc, he's a disbarred lawyer)

He has a Doctporate of Law, dude.  And the fact is he quit the practice
of Law for other people, so he could sue more people on his own behalf.
I had some e-mail with him yesterday, and he is now going to use his
Law Systems Institute to sue NETCOM.

Just look at this shit:

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From: x11x@ix.netcom.com(Symm)
Subject: Re: Political Hacking at NETCOM ?/Re:Doonsbury and California
215
To:  support@netcom.com (NETCOM Technical Support)
Cc:  natlNORML@aol.com
Cc:  medpot@pgh.org
Cc:  esq@pgh.org
Cc:  drgrubor@aol.com
Cc:  boursy@zipnet.net
You wrote: 
>
>> From x11x@ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov  7 04:21:36 1996
>> Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com 
[206.214.98.7]) by office3.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) with 
ESMTP id EAA11461; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:21:35 -0800
>> Received: from  (x11x@pit-pa1-13.ix.netcom.com [199.183.195.45]) by 
dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA14065; Thu, 7 Nov

1996 04:21:00 -0800
>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:21:00 -0800
>> Message-Id: <199611071221.EAA14065@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
>> From: x11x@ix.netcom.com (Symm)
>> Subject: Political Hacking at NETCOM ?/Re:Doonsbury and California 
215
>> To: Eric Golden <nc0225@corp.netcom.com>
>> Cc: natlnorml@aol.com
>> Cc: medpot@pgh.org
>> Cc: drgrubor@aol.com
>> Cc: esq@pgh.org
>> Cc: support@office.netcom.com
>> 
>> Dear Mr. Golden:
>> 
>> First of all, on behalf of natlNORML and the Medpot(c) Foundation,
>> I wish to thank you for your Administrative action taken by you to
>> add the two medical cannabis newsgroups to the NETCOM server.
>> 
>> As you said, both of the newsgroups showed up on the news-server
>> yesterday.  However, when we checked this morning, they were gone.
>> 
>> Since 215 passed, this is a hot political issue Nationwide now, and 
>> somebody has apparently conducted a political hacking of the NETCOM 
>> news-server.  I was under the impression that the NETCOM corporate 
>> administration made the decisions in the newsgroup matters, and that


>> they were not subject to outside influence.  However, with what has 
>> occurred, that "appears" not to be the case.
>> 
>> In essence, we relied upon your e-mail, and your position as a 
>> Corporate Officer of NETCOM, and we advised a great number of our 
>> members (NORML and Medpot(c) Foundation) to join up with NETCOM 
because 
>> you had started carrying these two medical cannabis newsgroups, and 
I 
>> was under the impression that your decision was final. You are the
>> corporate administrator who gives orders to the newsgroup technical
>> people, correct?  It was for the medical patients nationwide
>> that we requested these newsgroups.
>> 
>> What is most likely here is that your news-server has been 
politicaly 
>> hacked.  This is common on usenet, so we do understand.
>> 
>> However, if you could please check into this matter and see who
>> removed these newsgroups from the NETCOM server, we would be greatly
>> appreciative.  And we would really also appreciate it if you can
>> get these newsgroups back on the NETCOM news-server as soon as
>> possible, as this has now become a very embarassing situation
>> for the members of both NORML and the Medpot(c) Foundation.
>> 
>> AOL keeps these newsgroups on their server, and keeps them
>> protected from rmgroup hacking such as this, and we know
>> of dozens of other ISPs who now do the same thing.  So, would
>> appreciate it if you could institute the same safeguards
>> into your INN software at NETCOM to keep this from happening again.
>> 
>> I will be happy to speak with your News Administrator and
>> show him how to create the INN patch in the software, if
>> necessary, but I am sure any technical newsgoup personnel
>> can do the same patch. BTW, what is the name of the person at NETCOM
>> who is in charge of the Usenet Newsgroup Administration?
>> Should I direct this communication to him?
>> 
>> Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in connection
>> with this matter.
>> 
>> Sincerely Yours,
>> 
>> Symm/member of
>> Medpot(c) Foundation
>> and natlNORML
>> 
>> You wrote: 
>> >
>> >Symm writes:
>> >> From support@corp.netcom.com  Sat Nov  2 07:18:25 1996
>> >> Received: from ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (ixmail6.ix.netcom.com 
>> [199.182.120.56]) by office3.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) 
with 
>> ESMTP id HAA20421 for <ixsuppor@office.netcom.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 
>> 07:18:24 -0800
>> >> Received: from office.corp.netcom.com (office.corp.netcom.com 
>> [199.35.110.101]) by ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
>> >>      id HAA07666; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:14:21 -0800 (PST)
>> >> Received: (from support@localhost) by office.corp.netcom.com 
>> (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) id HAA19752 for support@ix.netcom.com; Sat, 2 
Nov 
>> 1996 07:14:06 -0800
>> >> Received: from mail5.netcom.com (root@mail5.netcom.com 
>> [192.100.81.141]) by office.corp.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom-Corp) 
with 
>> ESMTP id HAA19749 for <support@office.netcom.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 
>> 07:14:05 -0800
>> >> Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com 
>> [206.214.98.4]) by mail5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom)
>> >>      id HAA25343; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:13:49 -0800
>> >> Received: from pit-pa3-14.ix.netcom.com 
>> (x11x@pit-pa3-14.ix.netcom.com [199.183.195.110]) by 
>> dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA03403; Sat, 2 
Nov 
>> 1996 07:12:40 -0800
>> >> Message-ID: <327B8EE7.3CFB@ix.netcom.com>
>> >> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 10:11:51 -0800
>> >> From: Symm <xiix@ix.netcom.com>
>> >> Organization: Matrix Systems
>> >> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250  (Win16; U)
>> >> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> >> To: support@netcom.com
>> >> CC: natlnorml@aol.com, medpot@pgh.org
>> >> Subject: Doonsbury and California 215
>> >> X-URL: http://www.netcom.com/netcom/contact.html
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> >> 
>> >> Dear NETCOM Support:
>> >> 
>> >> We just tried out your new NETCOM service here, as we are 
planning
>> >> to move to California soon and we knew you were a California 
based
>> >> Corporation.  Upon seeing your webpage, we were very happy to see


>> the 
>> >> Doonsbury comics on the front page, as he discusses Proposition 
215
>> >> for California, which is being voted on next week.  However, much

to 
>> 
>> >> our dismay, when we checked the Usenet news service, we found 
that 
>> both 
>> >> propsition 215 newsgroups were missing from your server.
>> >> 
>> >> Could you please tell us how we can get these very important 
>> California
>> >> and nationally important Newsgroups added to the news-server here

as 
>> soon
>> >> as possible.  AOL carries both of these newsgroups, and we can 
not 
>> understand
>> >> why NETCOM does not have them here.  Just who is the 
>> newsadministrator
>> >> for NETCOM? -- we need to get the sci.med.cannabis and the 
>> misc.activism.cannabis
>> >> newsgroups added to the news-server as soon as possible.
>> >> 
>> >> Thank you much for your assistance in this urgent matter.  With 
the
>> >> election coming next week, these newsgroups are of the utmost 
>> importance
>> >> to the medical patients in California and other parts of the 
>> country.
>> >> 
>> >> The AIDS patients and other medical Cannabis users thank you for 
>> your 
>> >> kind assistance in getting these newsgroups on the NETCOM server 
as 
>> soon 
>> >> as possible.  This is a medical newsgroup neccessity, and we are 
>> just trying to
>> >> have the same newsgroups here as AOL and GNN does.
>> >> 
>> >> Regards,
>> >> 
>> >> Symm
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >Thank you for requesting the above active news groups.  To conserve
>> >resources, it is not our policy to add newly created news groups to


>> our
>> >server until requested.  Our News administrators will add it to our
>> >server as soon as possible.
>> >
>> (irrelevant text cut)
>> 
>> >If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate

to
>> >contact us again.
>> >
>> >- Eric C. Golden
>> >
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>Hello,
>
>The removal of the above newsgroups is not due to any attempted 
censorship
>on Netcom's part, nor is it due to any opinion that NETCOM On-Line
>Communication Services has on cannabis.  Instead, NETCOM honors the
>standard process of creating a newsgroup in the "big seven"  
hierarchy. 

That is a bunch of crap.  NETCOM said it would add ANY newsgroup that
we wanted when we signed up.  And there is no Big-7 anymore.

Both of those newsgroups have neen carried by AOL for months.
Is NETCOM controlled by some outside forces?

You just may end up getting AOL investigated by the justice
department for this.  We were told yesterday by a Mr. Eric Golden that
those newsgroups would be added as soon as possible, and we relied on 
that.  Just who is the Corporation Officer in sharge of UseNet?


>If you need to have a newsgroup, you are free to newgroup an article 
in
>the alt hierarchy, after discussion in the newsgroup alt.config. 
>

That is also a bunch of crap. We are not going to go by any
UUNET rules of censorship at NETCOM here.  You are acting as
an agent of the UUNET cabal by doing this, and you are going
to get NETCOM sued in Court.

>The fact we had these newsgroups in our spool yesterday was due to a 
>mistake on our part, where we honored forged newgroup commands.  We 
>apologize for any confusion on our part.
>

Well, you had better replace them at once, or we are going to
sue NETCOM. Since proposition 215 has passed, we are going to
make this a Nationwide thing.  There are Dozens of other ISPs 
on the InterNet that carry those two medical cannabis newsgroups,
so why can't NETCOM?

>It does sometimes seem unfair that it is difficult to create 
newsgroups in
>the "big seven" hierarchy.  

Where have you been?  It is a big-8 now, and not a big seven.
And that has NOTHING to do with NETCOM.


The reason for this is to minimize the chaos
>present in the alt hierarchy, where newsgroups have limited 
propagation,

That is bullshit.  Go check dejanews, and you will see that
the misc.activism.cannabis newsgroup has over a thousand
articles on it.  You are not going to get away with this without
a Court fight.  You MUST carry the medical cannabis newsgroups for
a medical necessity, and that is all there is to it.

>a number of bogus newsgroups with little meaningful content exist, and
>less respect is held for these newsgroups by many news servers. 
>

Look, obviously, you do not know much about Usenet.

>If you have any questions about this matter, please contact us again 
at 
>support@netcom.com.
>

I suggest that you telephone me at (412) 829-7853
as soon as possible.  If you do not, I am going to get
my Lawyer and sue NETCOm for this action.



>If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to
>contact us again.
>
>- Sam 
>

Look Sam, Eric said he would add the group.  Is Eric your Boss or are
you Eric's boss?  


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Dr. Grubor from the Medpot(c) foundation will be calling you
within a few minutes.  Please be available.  What is your
last name anyway?

This action is being posted to UseNet.

                Symm




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