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Tom Wells wrote:
> 
> Tony Bruno wrote:
> >
> [snipped]
> 
> > When my wife graduated from college in 1993, we decided to chance a move
> > to the Denver Metro area in order to improve our long-term economic
> > position.  It was a tough decision; I opted to hold off on my last year
> > of college in order to make the move, as my wife was literally being
> > offered only retail jobs in Grand Forks.  We did the headhunter thing,
> > and -- unlike a surprising number of our peers -- hit the bricks to make
> > opportunities for ourselves.  After three months of hard searching, the
> > *only* offer she got (after the only interview she received, mind you)
> > was that of a receptionist at an electronic components supply company.
> > She was placed in charge of the computer equipment, handled phones, and
> > made a whopping $8.50/hour to start.  Eventually, she made $9.60/hour,
> > but was passed over for promotions twice in favor of people with half
> 
> > I tell this story because we were both stunned by the entire experience.
> >  I was raised by three older sisters, so the concept of treating women
> > as anything other than competent human beings was (and is) beyond me.
> > While I was in the military, my wife was treated with nothing short of
> > the respect that should be expected by anyone.  Instead, we found the
> > Denver Metro area to be, by and large, a "Penis-Only" club, with the
> > women that were making it catering to the market by dressing
> > ridiculously. (Thigh-high slit skirts in a business meeting?  Please.)
> > Sexism, we discovered, does exist, and does not appear to be going away.
> >  It horrifies me, it disgusts me, and it makes me shudder at the state
> > of humanity.  I am not after the "one thing" that the previous poster
> > implied, and do not tolerate any such treatment in my presence.  In the
> > year we have to seek out better economic opportunities I can only hope
> > that we will find a location that offers interviews based on
> > skills and not bust-size.  We're both tired of a business environment
> > where the chances of my wife being hired are directly proportionaly to
> > how high her skirt is.
> >
> > Tony Bruno
> 
> Given that this topic is Bay Area-oriented, I really believe that both of
> you would benefit, socially and career-wise, in investigating the opportunities
> here in the Bay Area.  While the sexism and other social evils exist here as
> they do elsewhere, I really believe the area is a lot more encouraging
> of all persons who are motivated and have something to offer beyond their sex
> appeal.  Especially for people who have both a traditional as well as a
> technical background!
> 
> If you need/want to have the names of a few companies that can't seem to find
> enough quality people, just holler.
> 
> Tom
> 
> --
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> Tom Wells
> 
> Business:       tlwd@pge.com
> Peronal:        twells@best.com
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Also consider a bigger picture of influence.  Namely economy. In a time 
where Women's Rights are a major concern, it should also be noted, but 
not generalized, that major corporations have experienced the need to 
downsize.  This economic influence in it's early evolution put more 
males into the job seeker rosters.  Your right, because males held the 
majority of these upper and middle management positions.  Positions 
formerly lavishly compensated with perks, income, etc held by these 
males, could be downsized into postions of lesser salariy, less 
experience, reduced retraining, and even finance two or more lower 
management positions that would strengthen taxed resources.  
There were large numbers of unemployed males and increasing numbers of  
females educated with strategies of the day, not the old school 
standard.  Women enabled themselves to compete, went head to head and 
began getting work and earning salaries influenced more by economy and 
cut the fat practices required of companies to stay competitive. The 
current economy or third wave influence or evolution of the leaner 
meaner evolution places women in all industry management positions upper 
and lower at competitive to larger salries than men. More and more women 
are out competing men because more women graduate from college than men, 
because remnants of the good' ol boys  old school are still bouncing 
from job to job trying to fit in.  They compete with educated women, 
often fail for lack of knowlege in new market efficiency and strategies, 
while younger males begin to spread into more diverse and 
non-traditional directions. Things are changing for women, and many are 
beginning to believe males and non-whites face the balnce of equality 
rushing away from them.

Something like that.

Alright I quit.  Point is feminism marched loudly, was heard, accepted 
and in many cases enlightened companies with new and diferent aproaches 
to old problems.  The biggest and most notible difference are the tight 
salaries that confuse both men and women when considering why they can't 
do better than thier parents or as they were taught they should. 
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