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Article #386Re: The Dreaded Third Date Rule
From: Robert H Ruskin
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 00:00
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 00:00
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L: I would almost be curious to know your age. I am a 44 y.o. male, average looks, a champion of women's causes (!), and a decent all round nice fellow, in the next few months I will have earned my Ph.D. in Science. I have been curious about what WOMEN THINK, what WOMEN WANT, what WOMEN EXPECT from a man so have been conducting the longest lasting un-formal survey I have ever heard of, here is what I have found: #1 Women want Sex. It has been said (correctly) that all men do is talk about sex, that women NEVER do -- WRONG!! Women do nothing BUT TALK about sex among themselves. The difference is that they have different and deeper fantasies about men, then men do about women. THEY DREAM OF HAVING A VERY GOOD LOOKING MAN TO HAVE SEX WITH. #2 Women want Money. Frequently a woman who thinks she is good looking will never, ever consider going out with a poor man. Frequently they have a "income level" they want their man to have. They will go out with someone who has money that can be spent on them for dinners, gifts, etc. #3 Women want to be associated with Power. Either they want to dominate a relationship, or they want a tycoon type person that will bring them into "important social circles". I was curious about love and sex in a woman's mind -- so I asked!! Why does a women go to bed with a man? Here is what I was told: A man goes to bed with a woman to have sex; in order to get it, he will tell her how much he loves her (when in fact all he wants is sex). Women want LOVE, and if she feels that the man loves her she will have sex with him, otherwise, if she does not feel he loves her, and/or she does not love him, he is pushed off to the side. I have taken some very classy ladies (late 30's up) out on "dates". For many women less than 30 (and for many who are over 40 but never grew up) it now seems that a "date" is some type of romantic adventure. Last October I took a young lady (28) to the theater, I spent some $70 on 8th row Orch. seats just off center aisle; since the lady was a classy dresser and I had been out with her a few times before, and had known her for 2.5 years I bought a *tiny* corsage to go with her dress as an accent piece. Would you believe she got upset because I was so thoughtful? I was accused of "treating me like a "date" when in fact all we are is "friends"." First she knew that I was NOT looking for sex, but her sense of the romantic tells her that "friends" NEVER "date" each other (ie. never go out on a "date" -- they MUST always go out as "friends". Horse shit!!! Sex was NOT the issue here -- romantic expectations were. I treated her like I have treated every other woman, in a proper and dignified manner. I got my teeth kicked in for being a gentleman. The expectation now a days is that if you go out on a "date" with a woman, it MUST have romantic intentions behind it leading to sex and marriage. I do not sleep around though I am single, there a few women in my life I love very dearly, some that I have slept with and made love to, but would NEVER want to marry -- why?? Because the hand writing is on the wall that were we to marry, there would be nothing but conflict, and the love, and friendship built up over years would die. She knows it and I know it -- that is called a reality check. One woman -- a very close friend who I do not see often but write to frequently -- I have known for 16 years; there is another who I seldom see or hear from, but when we get together it is a party -- I've known her for 10 years; and another who now has a common law husband who I detest and would beat to a pulp if he ever harms her, and who has 2 children I have also known for 10 years. To put it into proper perspective all three of those relationships have survived longer than many marriages have lasted. That tells me I must be doing something right. Mind you that while we may be "friends" -- and we most certainly are that -- we are closer to being "lovers" than friends. Yes L. I would like to meet a woman and get married, but women have too many romantic expectations of men. Since I am no super stud, not that great looking (though not bad for a man of 44), I am broke, and wield no influence or power, I will be tossed aside like trash, which I am not. Maybe this is for the best, because if I get married, it will not be based on romantic falsies, and is likely to be strong and enduring enough that can weather the many storms of marriage. R. --
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 110235,17994a2c0807b5c8 X-Google-Attributes: gid110235,public X-Google-Thread: 1082f5,17994a2c0807b5c8 X-Google-Attributes: gid1082f5,public X-Google-Thread: fdc4a,17994a2c0807b5c8 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdc4a,public X-Google-Thread: 10a1d2,17994a2c0807b5c8 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a1d2,public X-Google-Thread: fbd31,17994a2c0807b5c8 X-Google-Attributes: gidfbd31,public From: ruskinr@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Robert H Ruskin) Subject: Re: The Dreaded Third Date Rule Date: 1996/05/02 Message-ID: <4mavg5$rl0@news.ccit.arizona.edu> X-Deja-AN: 152649793 references: <4lioqo$pla@news.kincyb.com> <Pine.BSI.3.91.960430002226.1718A-100000@mv.mv.com> <Dqr8Cu.Kqz@world.std.com> <Pine.BSI.3.91.960502002845.8866D-100000@mv.mv.com> organization: University of Arizona newsgroups: ne.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,soc.couples