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Re: The Dreaded Third Date Rule

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From: Robert H Ruskin
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 00:00
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L:

I would almost be curious to know your age. I am a 44 y.o. male, average 
looks, a champion of women's causes (!), and a decent all round nice 
fellow, in the next few months I will have earned my Ph.D. in Science. I 
have been curious about what WOMEN THINK, what WOMEN WANT, what WOMEN 
EXPECT from a man so have been conducting the longest lasting un-formal 
survey I have ever heard of, here is what I have found:

#1 Women want Sex. It has been said (correctly) that all men do is talk 
about sex, that women NEVER do -- WRONG!! Women do nothing BUT TALK about 
sex among themselves. The difference is that they have different and deeper 
fantasies about men, then men do about women. THEY DREAM OF HAVING A 
VERY GOOD LOOKING MAN TO HAVE SEX WITH.

#2 Women want Money. Frequently a woman who thinks she is good looking 
will never, ever consider going out with a poor man. Frequently they have 
a "income level" they want their man to have. They will go out with 
someone who has money that can be spent on them for dinners, gifts, etc.

#3 Women want to be associated with Power. Either they want to dominate a 
relationship, or they want a tycoon type person that will bring them into 
"important social circles".

I was curious about love and sex in a woman's mind -- so I asked!! Why 
does a women go to bed with a man? Here is what I was told: A man goes to 
bed with a woman to have sex; in order to get it, he will tell her how 
much he loves her (when in fact all he wants is sex). Women want LOVE, 
and if she feels that the man loves her she will have sex with him, 
otherwise, if she does not feel he loves her, and/or she does not love 
him, he is pushed off to the side.

I have taken some very classy ladies (late 30's up) out on "dates". For 
many women less than 30 (and for many who are over 40 but never grew up) 
it now seems that a "date" is some type of romantic adventure. 

Last October I took a young lady (28) to the theater, I spent some $70 on 
8th row Orch. seats just off center aisle; since the lady was a classy 
dresser and I had been out with her a few times before, and had known her 
for 2.5 years I bought a *tiny* corsage to go with her dress as an accent 
piece. Would you believe she got upset because I was so thoughtful? I was 
accused of "treating me like a "date" when in fact all we are is 
"friends"." First she knew that I was NOT looking for sex, but her sense of 
the romantic tells her that "friends" NEVER "date" each other (ie. never 
go out on a "date" -- they MUST always go out as "friends". Horse shit!!! 
Sex was NOT the issue here -- romantic expectations were. I treated her 
like I have treated every other woman, in a proper and dignified manner. 
I got my teeth kicked in for being a gentleman. 

The expectation now a days is that if you go out on a "date" with a woman, 
it MUST have romantic intentions behind it leading to sex and marriage. I 
do not sleep around though I am single, there a few women in my life I 
love very dearly, some that I have slept with and made love to, but would 
NEVER want to marry -- why?? Because the hand writing is on the wall that 
were we to marry, there would be nothing but conflict, and the love, and 
friendship built up over years would die. She knows it and I know it -- 
that is called a reality check. One woman -- a very close friend who I do 
not see often but write to frequently -- I have known for 16 years; there 
is another who I seldom see or hear from, but when we get together it is 
a party -- I've known her for 10 years; and another who now has a common 
law husband who I detest and would beat to a pulp if he ever harms her, 
and who has 2 children I have also known for 10 years. To put it into proper 
perspective all three of those relationships have survived longer than many 
marriages have lasted. That tells me I must be doing something right. Mind 
you that while we may be "friends" -- and we most certainly are that -- we 
are closer to being "lovers" than friends.

Yes L. I would like to meet a woman and get married, but women have too 
many romantic expectations of men. Since I am no super stud, not that 
great looking (though not bad for a man of 44), I am broke, and wield no 
influence or power, I will be tossed aside like trash, which I am not. 
Maybe this is for the best, because if I get married, it will not be 
based on romantic falsies, and is likely to be strong and enduring enough 
that can weather the many storms of marriage.

R.
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From: ruskinr@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Robert H Ruskin)
Subject: Re: The Dreaded Third Date Rule
Date: 1996/05/02
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