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Article #458Re: Americans Aren't Rewarded For Learning Foriegn Languages Like Others
From: Howard Stateman
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:00
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:00
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>On 22 Apr 1996, Ross Thompson wrote: >> Oh, man, won't this myth ever die? The notion that people's thoughts >> are limited by the language that they speak has been debunked for >> decades, and yet you still see it being quoted every month or so. The Debunked? What cave have you been living in? Anyone who speaks more than one language, especially languages from different language groups, will tell you that language shapes the way you think. Sometimes it's limiting, sometimes it's mind-expanding. For instance, there is no genderized pronoun in Thai. You can't tell if someone is talking about a man or a woman, unless the person says the name of whom they are talking about. On the other hand, in formal Thai a man ends every sentence with the word "kraap" and a woman ends every sentence with the word "ka". So even in writing, you always know if something is being said by a man or woman - something which is not a feature of English. This time, in English, if you don't know the name of the author, you have no idea if it's a man or woman. To my way of thinking, these are limitations which language places on the people speaking those languages. Chinese, Thai and Malaysian/Indonesian all have a strict sentence structure. Adjectives *always* follow nouns, never preceed them. Adverbs *always* follow verbs, they never come before a verb. In English, one of the more common tricks in comedy is to build up a string of adjectives, get the audience to expect a particular noun, and then switch to a different noun. It can be hillarious, but it can't be done in Chinese. So what gave you the idea that language doesn't limit thought? ...................................................................... | howeird@netgate.net | I knew French was a language by age 6. | |............................| At 19 I discovered it was also a tongue.| | Anatomically Correct BBS [408] 733-7429 |............................| |.........................................| http://www.netgate.net/~howeird/howeird.html
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 110235,b26fd4a014c83160 X-Google-Attributes: gid110235,public X-Google-Thread: fdc4a,b26fd4a014c83160 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdc4a,public X-Google-Thread: 1082f5,b26fd4a014c83160 X-Google-Attributes: gid1082f5,public X-Google-Thread: fbd31,b26fd4a014c83160 X-Google-Attributes: gidfbd31,public X-Google-Thread: 10a1d2,b26fd4a014c83160 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a1d2,public From: howards@sec.sel.sony.com (Howard Stateman) Subject: Re: Americans Aren't Rewarded For Learning Foriegn Languages Like Others Date: 1996/04/25 Message-ID: <4lp126$91u@usenet1.sjc.in.sel.sony.com> X-Deja-AN: 151453987 references: <Dq43Co.6Co@world.std.com> <317BF10A.167E@sgi.com> <4lhlap$5bg@rhythmic.mv.us.adobe.com> <Pine.BSI.3.91.960423100440.14741A-100000@mv.mv.com> organization: Sony newsgroups: ne.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,soc.couples