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[lots of discussion about men, women and sex -- what a surprise!]

I posted this somewhere over two years ago. And got over 30 responses 
from women (that was a large number given the relative scarcity of women 
on the net back then) agreeing with me. I didn't get any objections:

>From: ikuo@panix.com (Kim Scheinberg)
>Date: 27 Feb 1994 22:34:05 -0500

ck811@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph T. Adams) writes

>I am, however, completely amazed at the lack of respect, both for
>themselves and others, demonstrated by some of the people who post here.  I
>am also amazed at the amount of real ignorance that many of the men seem to
>demonstrate of how women feel.
>
>Please read carefully and memorize this: WOMEN ARE PEOPLE TOO!
>WOMEN ARE NOT OBJECTS, TOYS OR PLAYTHINGS.
>THEY ARE PEOPLE!
>
>People with feelings.  People with needs.  People who get lonely.  But most
>of them don't want to be used, abused, and treated like toys.  They don't
>want sex with total strangers.  They want someone to first care for them,
>respect them.

Yep. People with needs. People with desires. People who may, in fact, 
enjoy sex with total strangers. Erica Jong couldn't write her way out 
from under a wet kleenex, but back in '74, she defined the zipless fuck 
better than any man has before or since. And maybe this stemmed from 
woman's desire to occasionally have one...

>I really don't think that women want to read discussions on this board
>about men coming in their mouths.  How many women look at these message
>headers and don't bother ever looking at this newsgroup again?  No one
>knows but probably quite a few.

No, maybe not here. But plenty of them read and post about it in alt.sex. 
And I'll let you in on a secret (and Trust Me (tm), I attended an 
all-girls boarding school for two years), we *do* discuss men coming in 
our mouths. 

>Do you really think this turns women on?  If so, let me clue you in on
>another simple fact:
>
>Even though women are just as important and valuable as men,
>
>WOMEN ARE _NOT_ MEN!

And you, not being a woman, are the wrong person to be stating what we my 
or may not want.

>Most women think differently than most men.  Few women I know are turned on
>by discussions of oral sex and the like.  Or by appearances.  Or by stale
>old come-on lines that come straight from the bars of 30 years ago.  Or by
>guys who brag about their physical/sexual prowess. 

As a woman of 26, I've never heard those 30 year old come-on lines... 
they're probably more amusing than most of the ones I hear these days :)
As for being turned on by discussions of oral sex... yeah, I guess none 
of us engage in consensual phone sex, either...

>Women do, however, seem to respond to guys who seem to be honest, kind,
>intelligent, caring, compassionate, and interested in other people rather
>than just themselves.

All fine qualities. So, on occasion, is a six-inch cock. 

>I'm hardly an expert in attracting women.  If I were I probably wouldn't be
>posting here.  But I do know enough not to blatantly insult the very ones
>I'm trying to attract.

Again, I don't think it's fair for you to presume what we may or may not 
consider insulting.

We all go through stages. Some nights, I'd just like a pair of arms 
around me when I go to sleep. Other nights, a stiff dick can be a 
pleasant alternative to valium...

It's true, women tend not to be as open about expressing their desires in 
such a public venue. But many of the men I know have been propositioned 
by women just looking for a fun evening. Hell, I've made one or two of 
those propositions myself... we just usually save such honesty for when 
we know someone... like, say, after the first drink.

Mind you, I don't think many of the men here take the right approach to 
trying to meet women. And the high failure rate doesn't surprise me. Your 
points are not without validity. But I don't think it's right for you to 
suggest what my needs or desires might be. We may not be men, but we 
ain't as different as you think...

Just my $.02...

-k.
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Kim Scheinberg         |   I think moderated is always better, but then,
ikuo@panix.com         |   I'm a paid fascist      - Shabbir J. Safdar