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>>>>> On 11 Sep 92 21:42:29 GMT, dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) said:

> In article <SPACE.92Sep6172545@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org>,
  space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau) writes:

>> I don't think we should reduce the technical standard of Usenet to the lowest
>> common denominator, some Foobar Usenet system developed by someone on the
>> Sinclair ZX81, do you? 

> Waffle was neither developed on a Sinclair nor is it a Foobar USenet
> system. Find out what you are talking about before spewing flamage
> please. 

First, it was not intended as flamage. Second, I wasn't claiming Waffle ran on
the ZX81, I was simply using "reduction ad absurdum" on Spiros' argument,
meaning that IF someone developed some Usenet system for the ZX81, would you
be willing to give up some of the comfort your news system offers because
theirs doesn't support it?

As Chip Salzenberg put it: Use whatever news system you want, but don't
complain about it not supporting this or that, especially if "this or that" is
accepted standard.

>> If a system does not support KILL files, change it or
>> drop it, but don't ask the rest of us (the overwhelming majority) to act as if
>> they didn't exist.

> Some people CAN'T "change it or drop it".  Your argument smacks of an
> elitist mentality and has been used on the net before.

I am elitist insofar as I don't want things to stagnate because not everyone
is able to follow the pace. I am an enemy of the "lowest common denominator".

> Also, please
> state the statistics which support your assertion of actions of "(the
> overwhelming majority)".

What do you want me to do, conduct a poll?
Hey, I've got an idea. There is this great feature in most news systems, the
"sendsys" control message. This control message, posted world wide, will give
you an impression of what percentage of the Usenet community runs which
system.

NO! STOP! Don't do it! Arrgh! :-) :-) :-)

>> As for the newbie not knowing about KILL files, again I cannot agree that we
>> should drop all the goodies a rookie does not know about. Rookies generally
>> don't know about cross posting, are you suggesting we don't use cross posting
>> in the future?

> It IS possible for new users to be unaware of kill files. It is also
> possible for long time users who ARE running 'Real Usenet Software' [tm]
> to not even HAVE them.

Of course. Nevertheless they can't expect the rest of the net to shed a tear
for them.

> But then, I'd rather spend my time reading news than trying to squeeze
> yet another line into killfile.

As a matter of fact, kill files tend to save you much more time than it takes
to set them up.
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