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Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored

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From: Bob Arnold
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:50
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It's perfectly clear that Rich Kulawiec did an honest and careful call
for votes.  Can we simply drop any/all assertions to the contrary?

Dave Hayes is asserting that even following the guidelines to the letter
isn't good enough.  He is also says that the CFVs/CFDs did not
include r.m.synth in the subject line, and I have not seen anybody
disagree with him (have I missed this?).  So, perhaps Dave is right on
this assertion.

I happen to sympathize with people who ignore CFVs/CFDs that don't
mention any groups they care about in the subject line.  It's clear
that other people disagree with me, and I respect that too.  Here's my
first point though:

This mess would not have happened if Rich (remember, he did an honest
and careful job) had mentioned r.m.synth in the CFV/CFD subject line.  

Dave - let me try to make a constructive suggestion:
Find out who is responsible for these guidelines, and make a constructive
effort to work with those folks to get them improved so that CFVs and CFDs
have to have the affected groups in the subject line.  That should be
a simple improvement that would help future votes.

Dave is also asserting that r.m.synth readers are being unfairly
victimized by the vote procedures.

Perhaps this is true, and perhaps not.  Dave thinks it's true though,
and is assembling evidence to support this assertion.  Good - this
is healthy.

But what to do with the evidence?  And who to present it to?
I frankly don't really know.  And it's already late in the game.

Under the circumstances, perhaps the best thing to do is to remember that
guidelines have been carefully worked out by good and honest people
(although improvements may nevertheless be possible).  Rich followed these
guidelines faithfully, cooperating as best he knew how with the collective
procedures of the net.  We all owe Rich a debt of thanks for this - good
work is all too rare in this world.

Under the circumstances, I'd suggest to Dave that he acknowledge the
validity of the vote, and send out his own CFV and CFD to rename it
back to r.m.synth.  I assume that Dave would do an even better job than
Rich, thanks to what we've all learned from this experience.

I'd like hope that these words will have a calming effect on what is
about to become a flamefest.  I have *not* put on my own flamesuit.
Let's see if I become a crispy critter.

		Bob
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From: rca@Ingres.COM (Bob Arnold)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
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