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Lieven wrote:

[...]
> Am I dreaming, is this possible, do you know where to start to look for
> practical info on all this.

I'll guess you have to keep on dreaming, because Linux
academies do not exists...

Best regards,
Antoine

In <364C1A54.6BE0C511@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> Lieven <Lieven.Vanacker@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> writes:

>Hi all,

>I'm a relatively young guy (28) and I'm very interested in linux. Even
>so far that I'm able to give up my job to learn more about it. I have
>two problems with that:

>1. Is there any univerity or academy or another institution where you
>can learn linux? I'm thinking about computer science with courses
>depending havily on linux examples. I'm a belgian guy, and I think of
>somewhere in the neighbourhood of Belgium (I have 2 children and don't
>want to give up that).

Almost any CS course will use some form of Un*x. Those sufficient high
up the food chain, for example postgrads, even get "their own"
box. Linux is very close to unix. (The differences between unicies are
actually not huge, as M$ would have you believe. Anyone used to System V
can switch to a BSD-based box fairly easily).

Getting a Linux specific causes is not so trivial but absolutely not
required. I find very few differences between Solaris and Linux.

>2. I will need money to sponsor this. Can I combine this study with some
>activities to earn the money to learn this. Of course, this job will
>have to be combinable with the studies and I'd like a some time to spend
>with the children and friends.

At least in the UK part time causes do exist. There are even course
which come complete with a part time job, although these are generally
postgrad causes (i.e. you need a BA in a relevent subject before
applying).

Duncan (-:

Duncan Simpson wrote:
> 
> In <364C1A54.6BE0C511@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> Lieven <Lieven.Vanacker@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> writes:
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> Almost any CS course will use some form of Un*x. Those sufficient high

We're using Windows NT merely. (70% vs. 30% SUN)
The Microsoft part is getting bigger at our department every year... :-(

Jasper
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|Jasper Aukes          | Helpdesk and system-administrator             |
|----------------------| Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University |
|Phone: +31 30 2532248 | Padualaan 14, 3584 CH   Utrecht, NL           |
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Jasper Aukes wrote in message <364C4473.C4C6559D@cs.uu.nl>...
>Duncan Simpson wrote:
>>
>> In <364C1A54.6BE0C511@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> Lieven
<Lieven.Vanacker@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> writes:
>[cut]
>> Almost any CS course will use some form of Un*x. Those sufficient high
>
>We're using Windows NT merely. (70% vs. 30% SUN)
>The Microsoft part is getting bigger at our department every year... :-(
>


Nog wel ja !


Rick

On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:54:50 +0100, warp@xs4all.nl <warp@xs4all.nl> posted:
>Lieven wrote:
>
>[...]
>> Am I dreaming, is this possible, do you know where to start to look for
>> practical info on all this.
>
>I'll guess you have to keep on dreaming, because Linux
>academies do not exists...

And I would suggest that this would be not a dream, but a bit of a
nightmare, as it would perpetuate "Linux-centrism" just as much as various
present "academies" perpetuate "Windows-centrism."

Almost any university with sufficient quality of faculty such that it can
support a computer science department will provide something of a "haven"
where UNIX is used.

Knowing how computers work and how algorithms are constructed and perhaps a
little math is valuable; it is far wiser to learn the principles of computer
science, with perhaps a number of OS implementations *including* Linux than
to restrict yourself to just the one system.

Some day Linux will be old and the architecture may be too rigid to cope
with new ideas.

It is good to be exposed to a number of systems, even including Windows, if
only to know how *not* to implement systems.  And there are useful ideas in
some of the offbeat systems that may prove useful.

--> Prolog might prove important someday;
--> Lisp provides definite insights;
--> Functional programming suggests different ways of thinking;
--> Mainframes suggest some ideas on how I/O can work as well as the
handling of large databases;
--> The future might well come in the form of exokernels, or microkernels,
or something of the sort...

Exposure to these sorts of things would not be part of a "Linux Academy,"
and are nonetheless valuable.

Watch for a good university...
-- 
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. 	
-- Henry Spencer          <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
cbbrowne@hex.net - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."

Well ... some time ago I found a link to this webpage 

http://www.linuxcertification.org/

But alas ... it's in the US ...

If anything like this would be possible in Belgium,
I'd like to hear it too :-))

Jeremy.

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Do you mean the budget :)

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Jasper Aukes wrote in message <364C4473.C4C6559D@cs.uu.nl>...
>Duncan Simpson wrote:
>>
>> In <364C1A54.6BE0C511@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> Lieven
<Lieven.Vanacker@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> writes:
>[cut]
>> Almost any CS course will use some form of Un*x. Those sufficient high
>
>We're using Windows NT merely. (70% vs. 30% SUN)
>The Microsoft part is getting bigger at our department every year... :-(
>
>Jasper
>--
>+----------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
>|Jasper Aukes          | Helpdesk and system-administrator             |
>|----------------------| Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University |
>|Phone: +31 30 2532248 | Padualaan 14, 3584 CH   Utrecht, NL           |
>|Fax:   +31 30 2513791 | POBox 80089, 3508 TB Utrecht, NL              |
>+----------------------+-----------------------------------------------+

In <364C4473.C4C6559D@cs.uu.nl> Jasper Aukes <jasper@cs.uu.nl> writes:

>Duncan Simpson wrote:
>> 
>> In <364C1A54.6BE0C511@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> Lieven <Lieven.Vanacker@logistiek.sintlucaswenk.be> writes:
>[cut]
>> Almost any CS course will use some form of Un*x. Those sufficient high

>We're using Windows NT merely. (70% vs. 30% SUN)
>The Microsoft part is getting bigger at our department every year... :-(

>Jasper

That is very sad indeed. During the time I studied there (Utrecht University
'88-'94), there was only 1 msdos machine (for download purposes). It were the
happiest days of my life, never needing to install something, because the
system administrators took care of everything (and everything was very well
structured indeed). Sad to see that things change so quick, giving in to what
students have to use later instead of learning them the way things can (and
should) be taking care of (they can always take a crashcourse in NT if they
want to).

Just my personal feelings

Maarten

(sorry ik kan het niet laten)

Lieven vroeg iets:
> depending havily on linux examples. I'm a belgian guy, and I think of
> somewhere in the neighbourhood of Belgium (I have 2 children and don't
> want to give up that).
 
wat voor een morbide plan had je eigenlijk in gedachten met 'to give up
that ?'...

chris

joosen@nolet.psych.kun.nl (Maarten Joosen) wrote:

>[...] (they can always take a crashcourse in NT if they
>want to).

JFTR: Though I was inclined to make all sorts of cruel remarks on NT's
reliability, including the words ``who, needs, a, course, for, that,
anyway'' etc., I didn't.

Boy, am I proud that I could resist!


-- 
Matthijs