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Chris wrote:
> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BF4AFD11.28268%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
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>>On 9/12/05 9:24 AM, in article 614bi1tduanlf5j7mc7ibf99v7ecuau6ob@4ax.com,
>>"Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote:
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>>>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:30:53 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
>>>wrote:
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>>>>Kurtz wrote:
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>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4323ad07$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:43226972$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Obwon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
>>>>>>>>>convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
>>>>>>>>>officials said that federal emergency management
>>>>>>>>>authorities would not allow them to do the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
>>>>>>>>>dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
>>>>>>>>>feeding there now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
>>>>>>>>allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"The Homeland Security Department has requested and
>>>>>>>>>continues to request that the American Red Cross not
>>>>>>>>>come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
>>>>>>>>>spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
>>>>>>>>>and local authorities. We have been at the table every
>>>>>>>>>single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
>>>>>>>>>Orleans against their orders."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not
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> the
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>>>>>>>>Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
>>>>>>>>>goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
>>>>>>>>>and relief operations might keep them there. Security
>>>>>>>>>is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
>>>>>>>>>ransacked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food
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>>>>>stations
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that
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> 90%
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>>>>>who
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is
>>>>>>responsible for the National Guard.  Ask her why she did not call up
>>>>>>enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them
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> in
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>>>>>>and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused
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> to
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>>>>>>allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in
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> the
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>>>>>>disaster?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
>>>>>>>>>who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
>>>>>>>>>officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
>>>>>>>>>requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
>>>>>>>>>They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
>>>>>>>>>water before the phone went dead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
>>>>>>>>>a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
>>>>>>>>>desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
>>>>>>>>>Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
>>>>>>>>>the Army.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
>>>>>>>>>she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
>>>>>>>>>and electrical wires made passage impossible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have
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> the
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>>>>>>>>same trouble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and
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> tehy
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>>>>>>>could have made it to the damn superdome before it became
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>>>>>thunderdome....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed
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> help?
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>>>>>> No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To
>>>>>>get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a
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> safe
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>>>>>>route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the
>>>>>>personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal
>>>>>>question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called
>>>>>>for the school buses to be used to transport people out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
>>>>>>>>>different from other cities where Katrina struck
>>>>>>>>>harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
>>>>>>>>>normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
>>>>>>>>>disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
>>>>>>>>>there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
>>>>>>>>>is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
>>>>>>>>>where to most effectively put relief services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies
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> in
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>>>>>>>>and people out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
>>>>>>>needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you
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> have.
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>>>>>> Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there.
>>>>>>Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and
>>>>>>prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go
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> out
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>>>>>>and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not
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> all
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>>>>>>your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It
>>>>>>take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard,
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> at
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>>>>>>the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being
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> delieverd.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
>>>>>>>>>feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
>>>>>>>>>cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
>>>>>>>>>into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
>>>>>>>>>sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
>>>>>>>>>contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
>>>>>>>>>prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
>>>>>>>>>bring people out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are
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> having
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>>>>>>>>trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
>>>>>>>>problems that would be encountered if you let every group that
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> wanted to
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>>>>>>>>help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water,
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> sanitation
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>>>>>>>>and someplace to sleeep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
>>>>>>>bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone
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> else....and
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>>>>>I
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>>>>>>>seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48
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> hours...
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>>>>>>To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem
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> but
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>>>>>>when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally
>>>>>>there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding
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> the
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>>>>>>existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people
>>>>>>sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you
>>>>>>have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have
>>>>>>staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky
>>>>>>question that need to be answered.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Two words: Gretna - cellphone
>>>>>
>>>>>Game-set-match my ass, you Fascist enabler.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cellphones communicate with Cell phone towers which require power to
>>>>work.  Many of them were damaged or even under water.  Even satelite
>>>>phones were not working.
>>>>
>>>>Game Set Match!  read it and Weep.!
>>>>
>>>>MRC
>>>
>>>  Right you are,  so now all you have to do is explain
>>>how all those reporters were managing to file their
>>>stories with video and sound footage over the entire
>>>course of the disaster.
>>>
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>>1. Microwave trucks
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>>2. Satellite trucks
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>>3. Generators
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>>And last-but not least----
>>(unlike the City and State Govt.)
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>>4. Preparation
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>>There-it isn't THAT difficult is it?
>>Good child. Next question...
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> No goergie, the question was why didn't the gubment use the same technology
> to communicate....but nice try at deflection of the ineptitude of the
> gubment...

Who knows why Louisiana Officials did not use the same type of 
equipment.  Then again why did the Lousiana Officials not put money 
towards the levees.  They had a matching grant form the Corp but they 
did not use it to its max!

MRC