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Chris wrote:
> "Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote in message
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>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:12:45 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
>>wrote:
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>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>>>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4323ad0d$0$10631$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>>>>>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>>>>>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>Obwon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"They won't let
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>>>>>>>>>>anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am
>>>>>>>>>>not," he said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you have a clue why you need to be certified by FEMA?  It is so
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>>>>that
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>>>>>>>>>your actions are coordinated with others and that you understand
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> the
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>>>>>>>>>scope of tasks being dealt with.
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>>>>>>>>>>When a tragedy or disaster occurs in Arizona, trained,
>>>>>>>>>>skilled people are allowed to help without Federal
>>>>>>>>>>Emergency Management Agency certification, he said.
>>>>>>>>>>"But when a national disaster is in effect, federal
>>>>>>>>>>rules take over and FEMA would have to approve it,"
>>>>>>>>>>said Dudelston.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Once the storm has past, Federal agencies do get involved.  They do
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>>>>not
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>>>>>>>>>want everyone to rush down to give aid, it would create anarchy and
>>>>>>>>>dangerous situations.  That is the same that applies with state
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> agency
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>>>>>>>>>runned efforts.
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>>>>>>>>>>"It's kind of sad people are being turned away, the
>>>>>>>>>>minute they go into a federal situation, they just
>>>>>>>>>>can't get in there," he said. "The problem is when
>>>>>>>>>>something like this happens - when an area is declared
>>>>>>>>>>a national disaster - you can't go in there. They don't
>>>>>>>>>>know them (trained volunteers) from Adam, so they can't
>>>>>>>>>>let them in," he said of federal officials.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This statements is true of both Federal and State agencies.  To
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> allow
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>>>>>>>>>everyone who wants to provide relief efforts in to a disaster zone
>>>>>>>>>invites disaster and poses potential hazards for not only those
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> being
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>>>>>>>>>helped but to those who are doing the helping.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>These agencies have to impose control over the area so that relief
>>>>>>>>>efforts are coordinated and effective without putting the lives of
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>>>>those
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>>>>>>>>>helping in harms way.
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>>>>>>>>>MRC
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yeah, great way to coordinate help, by denying it to anyone....well
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> at
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>>>>>>least
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>>>>>>>>it was coordinated denial...kinda like the current administration...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have no clue as to what it takes to coordinate a relief operation
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> do
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>>>>>>>you or any type of operation involving personnel and supplies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your vapid response is proof of your ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>MRC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And your insistance to wait until everything is perfect before doing
>>>>>>anything is proof that you haven't got a clue. There are always
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> problems
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>>>>in
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>>>>>>a relief effort, you solve them as they come up while still providing
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>>>>some
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>>>>>>kind of help, you don't wait on the sidelines hoping to get all your
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>>>>ducks
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>>>>>>in a row...it will never happen and you are just wasting time and
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> lives
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>>>>>>while trying. Don't be so stupid all of your life...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No, I do not say wait until everything is perfect but you can not allow
>>>>>just every joe into the area to help.  There are state and federal
>>>>>agencies that can help and do it well.  If you look back on this
>>>>>situation this operation went well on the federal side of things when
>>>>>you compare it to other Cat 4 or 5 hurricanes.  The Feds responded
>>>>>quicker when compared to Hugo and Andrew (other cat 4 and 5
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> hurricanes).
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>>>>> The Red Cross counld not do anything since they were blocked by State
>>>>>officials (i,e. troopers snd Guardsmen)
>>>>>
>>>>>MRC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When people are dying you let in the devil himself if need be to ease
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> their
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>>>>suffering. FUCK protocol and start saving lives you heartless
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> bastard....
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>>>
>>>It is not protocol, it is using time, material and personnel wisely to
>>>effectively help the most people.  Your emotional response shows that
>>>you would be a walking disaster if allowed to do relief operations.
>>>
>>>MRC
>>
>>  So then, you really do believe that it's wiser to let
>>people dehydrate and starve while you sit with your
>>pencil and paper,  and try to figure out what the most
>>efficient/effective way to feed them will be.  Well,
>>by the time you get things in an order,  satisfactory
>>only to yourself,  there will be less of a need for
>>that food and water,  you see,  a whole lot of people
>>you intend to serve will be dead.  What a loon.
>>
>>   You let that food in!  No matter what your visions
>>of orderly/effciency are,  it's not going to work as
>>you plan.  Professionals know that,  is why they only
>>do the most superficial planning,  get the food into
>>the area and let the people on the ground do as they
>>see fit.
>>
>>  There were still people who were mobile in there.
>>People with boats who knew where people in dire need
>>were and could get to them,  having come from these
>>areas themselves.  There were people looking to ferry
>>supplies to the stadium, for instance,  but they
>>couldn't because they simply weren't let in.
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> Don't confuse him with facts....it ruins his whole argument...
> 


I have given you facts and you still are in capable of comprehension. 
Your arguements are vapid and show your own state of confusion.

Lets try it again.  The state is the one who blocked FEMA from getting 
supplies in.  It was the State who blocked the regular military from 
coming in and aiding in the relief efforts.  It was the State an local 
officials who are the primary responders in a disaster.

Read the Losuian emergenct plan that has been posted.  Read the local 
emergency plan.  Read the DHS NRP plan.  Read the USC concerning the use 
of the active duty military.  Read the Stafford act to understand what 
FEMA can do.

IF you do that then you might begin to understand.

Game Set Match

MRC