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Article #1154Re: Mission Accomplished! Bush Declares Evacuation Victory
From: Kurtz
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:15
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:15
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<wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> Obwon wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:41:02 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>dashaun345@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>wrcowan1@hal-pc.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I do not think it was politicalization per se. It was just plain
> >>>>stupidity. The Mayor of N.O was an idiot who failed to carry out the
> >>>>emergency plan as outlined. He did not think out his actions.
Instead
> >>>>he just reacted badly with poor judgement. The Govenor of Louisiana
did
> >>>>not follow the emergency plan as was outlined. She furthe made things
> >>>>worse by failing to send in the guard earlier and in sufficent
numbers.
> >>>> She failed to allow FEMA and the Red cross to do its job. I think
she
> >>>>probably politicized the situation. She wanted to retain control when
> >>>>clearly she had no clue or was even prepared. She feared sending in
the
> >>>>guard because it would look bad. She did not want to make mandatory
> >>>>evacuations because of perception.
> >>>>
> >>>>I am confident that if had at least directed all her agencies to
> >>>>coordinate with FEMA and the Red Cross things would have been better.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The mayor of New Orleans did not display competence.
> >>>The governor of Louisiana did not display competence.
> >>>The President of the United States was unaware.
> >>
> >>The President was awar. He issued the declaration that allowed FEMA and
> >>federal aid be available to louisian before the storm hit. He told the
> >>govenor that mandatory evacuations should occur.
> >>
> >>MRC
> >
> >
> > Yeah, but he wouldn't sign the necessary papers that
> > would have allowed the military to come in and
> > distribute aid, for three days. Until after many of
> > the evacuees had died. You can call that "aware" if
> > you want to!
>
>
> Again he was constraind by the actions of the Govenor. She had to sign
> off on it first. For the President ohave done otherwise would have been
> a bad precedent and possible violation of law.
>
> Read the law. Read the USC and the Stafford act. If the PResident went
> in with troops without following the law you would be howling all over
> the place for his head on a platter.
>
> MRC
Pentagon devising scenarios for martial law in US
author: Patrick Martin
9 August 2005
According to a report published Monday by the Washington Post, the Pentagon
has developed its first ever war plans for operations within the continental
United States, in which terrorist attacks would be used as the justification
for imposing martial law on cities, regions or the entire country.
The front-page article cites sources working at the headquarters of the
military's Northern Command (Northcom), located in Colorado Springs,
Colorado. The plans themselves are classified, but "officers who drafted the
plans" gave details to Post reporter Bradley Graham, who was recently given
a tour of Northcom headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base. The article thus
appears to be a deliberate leak conducted for the purpose of accustoming the
American population to the prospect of military rule.
(snip)
Military lawyers have studied the legal implications of such deployments,
which risk coming into conflict with a longstanding congressional
prohibition on the use of the military for domestic policing, known as posse
comitatus. Involving the National Guard, which is exempt from posse
comitatus, could be one solution, Admiral Keating told the Post. "He cited a
potential situation in which Guard units might begin rounding up people
while regular forces could not," Graham wrote.
Graham adds: "when it comes to ground forces possibly taking a lead role in
homeland operations, senior Northcom officers remain reluctant to discuss
specifics. Keating {Admiral Timothy J. Keating, head of Northcom} said such
situations, if they arise, probably would be temporary, with lead
responsibility passing back to civilian authorities."
This is what Chertoff effectively is now going
to be doing with our law enforcement: to allow for the
militarization of law enforcement through the
overturning of Posse Comitatus, but to insure that the
military doesn't control it, and that it remains under
political control within the Cabal so it can be used
for political purposes.
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