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Re: Mission Accomplished! Bush Declares Evacuation Victory

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From: Kurtz
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:16
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<wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> Chris wrote:
> > <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > news:4328d96a$0$10630$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >
> >>
> >>Chris wrote:
> >>
> >>><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:43251278$0$10628$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>slim wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>wrcowan1@hal-pc.org wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>You have no clue as to what it takes to coordinate a relief
operation
> >
> > do
> >
> >>>>>>you or any type of operation involving personnel and supplies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>FIRST IT TAKES LEADERSHIP, NOT VACATION SKILLS.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>No, it takes authority as establish by law.  Then it take leadership
and
> >>>>then it takes cooperation.
> >>>>
> >>>>The Govenor by law had the authority to take action.  The govenor did
> >>>>not show any leadership.  The govenor showed no cooperation skills.
> >>>>
> >>>>FEMA did not have the legal authority to take control.  FEMA had the
> >>>>leadership.  FEMA did not have cooperation of State and Local
officials.
> >>>>
> >>>>MRC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That's funny, because former FEMA officials are saying that once a
> >
> > national
> >
> >>>disaster was proclaimed they had the power to take over and supply
> >
> > relief
> >
> >>>efforts. Funny that you think you know more about it then the people
who
> >>>actually worked there....
> >>
> >>
> >>Those are the FEMA officials that never bothered to actually read the
> >>Stafford Act or the NRP. Those are the people who get a government job
> >>and think that they rule the world.
> >>
> >>Again they do not take over.  The are in charge of marshalling all
> >>federal agencies assests and coordinates with the state and locals on
> >>use of federal assests.  It is not about knowing more, it is about
> >>reading the law concerning what they can and can not do.  Try it
> >>sometime, you actually might learn
> >>
> >>MRC
> >
> >
> > No it is about you reading what you want into it, not about what really
are
> > the rules.
>
>
> No sir, it is black letter law that is clear.  Words have meanings not
> some vague concepts to fit the needs.  FEMA has no power to take control
> from the State and local officials.  If it tried to do so, the local
> authrities would: laugh at them, arrest them, and throw them in jail.
> Now where would that get anyone.
>
> Secondly, if FEMA did that you would be calling for FEMA's resignation
> and the PResident to be prosecuted for violating federal law concerning
> the use offederal troops.
>
> It is not about rules it is about black letter law.
>
> MRC

Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend
the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on
record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a
Presidential pen:

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of
transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the
communication media.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical
power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food
resources and farms.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into
work brigades under government supervision.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health,
education and welfare functions.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a
national registration of all persons.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and
aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate
communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be
abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland
waterways and public storage facilities.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of
Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into
effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or
financial crisis.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to
enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial
support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all
aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and
assist the President.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal
departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued
over a fifteen year period.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to
develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of
money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It
also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President,
Congress cannot review the action for six months
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