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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:28:50 -0500, "Chris"
<vscooter@nospam.copper.net> wrote:

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><wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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>> Chris wrote:
>> > <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>> > news:43226972$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
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>> >>
>> >>Obwon wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
>> >>>convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
>> >>>officials said that federal emergency management
>> >>>authorities would not allow them to do the same.
>> >>
>> >>The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
>> >>>dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
>> >>>feeding there now.
>> >>
>> >>Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
>> >>allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>"The Homeland Security Department has requested and
>> >>>continues to request that the American Red Cross not
>> >>>come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
>> >>>spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
>> >>>
>> >>>"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
>> >>>and local authorities. We have been at the table every
>> >>>single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
>> >>>Orleans against their orders."
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not the
>> >>Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
>> >>>goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
>> >>>and relief operations might keep them there. Security
>> >>>is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
>> >>>ransacked.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food
>stations
>> > and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that 90%
>who
>> > just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
>> >
>>
>> As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is
>> responsible for the National Guard.
>
>Not after bushco declared it a national disaster...go read that FEMA
>document again would you....
>
>
>
> Ask her why she did not call up
>> enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them in
>> and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused to
>> allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in the
>> disaster?
>
>
>You mean the federal troops that you say couldn't get there? Now that is a
>logical statement....not.
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
>> >>>who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
>> >>>officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
>> >>>requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
>> >>>They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
>> >>>water before the phone went dead.
>> >>>
>> >>>On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
>> >>>a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
>> >>>desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
>> >>>Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
>> >>>the Army.
>> >>>
>> >>>"The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
>> >>>she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
>> >>>and electrical wires made passage impossible.
>> >>
>> >>If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have the
>> >>same trouble.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and tehy
>> > could have made it to the damn superdome before it became
>thunderdome....
>> >
>>
>> But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed help?
>
>So if you can't help everybody, then don't help anybody?? Sound like the
>kind of logic that will get you far in this administration...
>
>
>>   No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To
>> get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a safe
>> route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the
>> personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal
>> question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called
>> for the school buses to be used to transport people out?
>
>
>Because the local government had collapsed and they couldn't stage a news
>conference much les an evacuation by that time.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
>> >>>different from other cities where Katrina struck
>> >>>harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
>> >>>normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
>> >>>disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
>> >>>there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
>> >>>is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
>> >>>where to most effectively put relief services.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies in
>> >>and people out.
>> >
>> >
>> > Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
>> > needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
>> >
>>
>> Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you have.
>>   Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there.
>> Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and
>> prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go out
>> and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not all
>> your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It
>> take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard, at
>> the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being delieverd.
>
>
>So you spend four days "assessing" while people are dying rather than just
>getting any kind of help in there that you can to reduce some of the
>suffering. Typical...forget the people...we want to make sure we have a
>pretty plan....
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
>> >>>feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
>> >>>cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
>> >>>into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
>> >>>sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
>> >>>contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
>> >>>prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
>> >>>bring people out.
>> >>
>> >>Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are having
>> >>trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
>> >>problems that would be encountered if you let every group that wanted to
>> >>help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water, sanitation
>> >>and someplace to sleeep.
>> >
>> >
>> > Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
>> > bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone else....and
>I
>> > seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48 hours...
>> >
>>
>> To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem but
>> when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally
>> there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding the
>> existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people
>> sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you
>> have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have
>> staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky
>> question that need to be answered.
>>
>> MRC
>
>
>People were already crapping in the street.....a few thousand more would not
>have made much of a difference....or they might even have had a few porta
>potties to go with the relief workers....nah, they wouldn't have thought of
>that would they.
>As for communications.....how the hell do you think they communicate in Iraq
>when they are in battle....sattelite phones perhaps...or maybe they have
>their own communications setups that travel with them....geez are you being
>purposefully obtuse or do you just not know anything?
>

  And there was a Naval ship just offshore capable of
making 100,000 gallons of fresh water per day,  but
they couldn't get into the area either.   FEMA had
assumed control!  

  Obwon
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