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> Kurtz wrote:
> > <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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Please forgive the snip, but this is getting too long: the record of
previous posts is still upthread......
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> Perhaps but the first amendment does not give the media cart blanche to
> go as it please -
Yes it does: a free press is essential to a well informed electorate

even when it may interfere with rescue and recovery
> efforts.

They brought their own resources, and did not interfere with rescue or
recovery.

> No one has shut the presses down or prohibited news from being
> reports.

CNN had to resort to the courts to gain access to the recovery efforts.

Seen a wide variety of reports from the media.  Do not think
> that their abilities have been seriously hampered.

Most are mouthpieces for the staus quo ( thanks to deregulation and
consolidation into giant conglomerations under the control of a few
Executive Producers.. Having been a line producer, I tell you that the
management calls the shots, and the producers
hew to that position, or they are removed. Some are aware of the fact that
their independence has been curtailed, but ambition and the need for the
paycheck ( as well as informal blacklisting ) tends to remove all but the
most pliable from positions of power.


>
> >
> > And the Second is looking pretty sickly, too!
>
> >
> > Okay, and the Fourth....
> >
> >
> > Oh, and the tenth.....
> >
> >>Just what part are you complaining about?
> >
> >
> > I am complaining about someone who would so vociferously defend the
> > indefensable.
> >
> >  Are you protesting a state
> >
> >>action or is it a Federal Action?
> >
> >
> > I draw your attention to the armtwisting of the Governor of Louisianna
to
> > force her to relenquish control of the Guard and Police forces to the
> > ShrubCo. cabal. She balked, and that rat bastard punished her by
withholding
> > the command to 'GO!'. So thousands more died by the hand of an evil
> > sun-of-a-bitch and his henchmen.
>
> You are so ignorant.  Read the law.  The president is restricted in how
> he can deploy federal troop.  It boils down to the Govenor giving
> control over so that federal troops can come in or for the president to
> remove the power from the govenor as proscribed by law.  What would you
> prefer.  Remember you need to stay within the confines of the law.
>
> >
     The FEMA needed local permission BULL is blown away by their own rules

      The December 2004 National Response Plan (NRP), the federal Department
of Homeland Security's (DHS) most recent plan for coordinated federal
response to disasters
http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/... , confirms the
Red Cross' status as a "primary agency"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509090002#establishes
      that will, under the oversight of FEMA and DHS, coordinate "federal
mass care resources" to affected areas. Moreover, in a "catastrophic event,"
such as what befell New Orleans, the NRP directs FEMA
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509090002#directs
      to act on its own authority to quickly provide assistance and conduct
emergency operations, bypassing state and local authorities if necessary.



> >  It is the action of the Blackwater
> >
> >>Merc's and just who are they?
> >
> >
> > Do your own research: you would not believe me if I gave you the correct
> > time.....
> > but they are a disturbing example of the ShrubCo.'s extraconstitutional
use
> > of mecenary troops both in Iraq, and here in NOLA
> >
>
> You are paranoid beyond reason.

No, just aware....

  Those stories rank right up there with
> one I heard yesterday saying the airforce has an airplan that uses laser
> beams to create hurricanes of an size and power It also can use it to
> steer hurricane anywhere they want it to go and cause a storm surge of
> any height.  Pure delusional fantasy.

Please don't link the two.
>
> >
> > You are spewing so much garbage you make
> >
> >>no sense!
> >
> >
> > Or is reality like a firehose aimed at a teacup?
>
> >
> > Reality HURTS LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not avoid it. The pain will wake
you
> > from your long dream.
> >
> >  it you wish to have an intellegent discussion then spell out
> >
> >>you points clearly with out all the dellusional spin.
> >
> >
> > If you are actually receptive to the intelligent conversation about the
> > score of points that our interaction has generated, you must be more
honest
> > with yourself.
> >
> > There are bloated bodies in the streets of what was once the greatest
and
> > richest nation
> > in the world.
> >
> > How did we come to this?
> >
> >
> > It will all soon be apparent to you if you do some research with an
honest
> > and open mind. You are intelligent, so look at what is being blogged,
> > covered in the REAL press ( try going to the English press, and the
> > AsiaTimes is pretty good too ) and maybe consider going to the DU.
> >
> > They are followers of Reality-Based democracy, and they tend to source
> > things out very well, and the information flows freely.
> >
> > Don't rely on rightwing sources. Right now they appear to be in
> > misdirection, denial, and coverup mode.
> >
> >  And finally, play devils advocate. Spend Sunday roleplaying Kurtz.
After
> > all, he IS just a character in a book....
> >
> > Look to the internet, though the meatpuppet parade should be pretty
> > interesting this day.....take the opposite view from your present
political
> > leanings, and research the Downing Street minutes, The Plame case, the
> > Fitzgerald grand jury, Blackwater, the ACLU and the continuing Abu
Garaib
> > coverup. Read the Project for a New American Century, and notice how is
has
> > influenced todays' situation. A grand game, but one that, when poorly
> > played, has devestating consequences......
> >
> > If there is a crack in your reality, pry it open and look outside.
> >
> > I do the same exercise ( I would REALLY like to be a old-fashioned
> > Republican, but Pandoras box has been smashed to pieces, and I fear we
will
> > never be able to go there again.....) but all I find is an unsustainable
> > Potemkin nation teetering on the brink of complete failure due to the
> > realities of this day.
> >
> > Good Mornin' America...doncha know me I'm your native son.....
> >
>
>
> I do on a regular base do read and research a variety source of
> information.  I know when to use filters to get at the truth but not so
> cynical to know that it may be in plain sight.
>
> I also have read a great deal about ancient history and their societies.
>   To see the lesson to be applied today.  I look to our own history to
> see what has changed and what has not.  I see reporters not reporting
> the news but being a part of the news.  ABC, NBC, CNN, Washington Post,
> Houston Chronicle, theNation and even Fox News are guilty of that.  I do
> not have a high regard for journalist anymore.  Read the paper and see
> the trash that passes as news.  It all really \op-ed now.

I am in total agreement.
>
>
> It is late and that all I care to write for now.

Thanks, and I now wish to offer my sincere apology to you for the slurs and
angry allegations I have directed at you. I will now save that shit for the
' You MORON! '
posters. You appear to be willing to think and argue intelligently, and it
is this kind of discourse that will allow the nation to change the debate
from screaming opinions and misdirection to thoughful and thought-provoking
discussion. That is the basis for democracy.

Again, my apology for my hot-headed knee-jerk reaction to your differing
opinions.

>
> MRC
>