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Article #154Re: Redbird Visit Smithsonian Folklife Festival in Washington DC
From: Tim Kynerd
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:31
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:31
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In article <4zP%6.16789$mj7.2848161@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, John Mara wrote: > > "Tim Kynerd" <tim@tram.nu> wrote in message > news:slrn9jv4jl.hs.tim@linux.local... > >> Overcrowding will always be a problem on any rapid transit system from >> time to time, even if there is plenty of rolling stock and frequent >> service in the peak. It's even the case that on any given day, some >> trains are going to be quite crowded, while others will have relatively >> few people. As long as that's true, the only solution to the problem of >> people clustering around the doors is to provide more doors. (Note that >> this is a much narrower problem than overcrowding in general, even though >> crowding on the cars is a contributing factor to this problem.) > > With the R 110 demonstrators NYCTA tried having nothing to hold on to near > the doors to encourage people to move in. This was not too popular and the > production R142 cars have hand holds near the doors. They've sort of tried the same thing here in Stockholm with the new C20 stock, although the idea was not to encourage people to move in, but to provide more standing space near the doors. There are way fewer handholds in this space in the C20 cars than there are in the older cars, and most significantly, the floor-to-ceiling pole in the middle of this space has been eliminated. This has also proven unpopular, so they are looking at ways to try to fix it. -- Tim
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 112ce4,791d94652811f7f3 X-Google-Attributes: gid112ce4,public X-Google-Thread: 10ca13,791d94652811f7f3 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca13,public X-Google-Thread: fe7c3,791d94652811f7f3 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe7c3,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-02 14:31:22 PST Newsgroups: nyc.transit,misc.transport.urban-transit,dc.urban-planning From: tim@tram.nu (Tim Kynerd) Subject: Re: Redbird Visit Smithsonian Folklife Festival in Washington DC References: <tjshpfbufkjt63@corp.supernews.com> <g1t%6.45613$Md.14357941@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> <slrn9jtqf4.61q.tim@linux.local> <tjuvqjmubl1l6b@corp.supernews.com> <slrn9jv4jl.hs.tim@linux.local> <4zP%6.16789$mj7.2848161@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: <slrn9k0fo4.gt.tim@linux.local> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.1 (Linux) NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-188.wineasy.se X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-188.wineasy.se Date: 2 Jul 2001 23:31:06 CET X-Trace: news.wineasy.se!newsfeed.wineasy.se!wineasy 994109466 pm2-188.wineasy.se (2 Jul 2001 23:31:06 CET) Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wineasy.se Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!195.54.122.107!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news.wineasy.se!newsfeed.wineasy.se!wineasy!linux.local!nobody