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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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> Curt wrote:
> > "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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> >> Curt wrote:
> >>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:B_ydnWZ-msrFkkvZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>> ~^*^~ wrote:
> >>>>> It is not necessary to deport any of them if you prevent them from
> >>> working
> >>>>> in our country.  Do that and they'll go home.
> >>>> No they won't social services will be overloaded which will make
social
> >>>> services happy because they can ask for a bigger budget next time
> > around
> >>>> hiring even more people who want to do as little as they can (Because
> > of
> >>>> being a govt employee) to get a check. Vicious circle. Do like they
are
> >>>> suppose to do and no more chain babies dropped her deport them and
let
> >>>> em cry their eyes out on the way back to Mexico and then the
Presidente
> >>>> of Mexico and the left can cry how cold callous the Republicans are.
> >>>> Fine the holy piss out of companies that hiring the undocumented. It
> >>>> will take awhile but it will send a strong message that we will not
> > over
> >>>> load our schools hospitals or public housing with people that do not
> >>>> respect our laws. Worried about over crowding in jails with em? don't
> > be
> >>>> give em slop twice a day and they will not want to come back. We are
> >>>> way, way way to generous to those who take jobs from others. If the
> >>>> employers can't get cheap labor they will have to pay a better wage.
> >>>> Increasing prices lower the tax burden on the lower wage earners or
> >>>> eliminate it all together it will be like a wage increase to them
which
> >>>> means they will have more spendable income to stimulate the economy.
> >>> I think just the "fine the holy piss" option would do just fine.
> >> Disagree curt, they know damn well they are breaking the law. They are
> >> criminals. If you are going to hand out justice and be fair about it
> >> (Remember the blindfold on the statue of liberty?) it has got to be
> >> across the board. You have to send a signal that this will not be
> >> tolerated by any criminal be they a big criminal or a small one. That
is
> >> being fair.
> >
> >
> > Well, no, they're not criminals. It's not a crime to be an illegal
alien.
> > You can't go to jail for it. You can only be deported.
>
> Semantics! You know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Don't dance be
> honest. Wrong is wrong. If your going to bust the dealers then bust the
> users too.

I do know exactly what you're talking about. You called illegal immigrants
criminals. They're not. It's not a crime to be an illegal immigrant. Thus,
you can't arrest and jail them. You can only deport them. Thus, focusing on
employers is not ignoring some criminals while focusing on others. The only
criminals here are the ones who hire illegal workers. Send some to jail.


>
>
> >
> >
> >>   These folks
> >>> are coming here for work, after all, not for the company. If the work
> > wasn't
> >>> here, neither would be the folks. Another option -- just let them be
> >>> citizens.
> >> Bullcrap! Bullcrap! Bullcrap! If you did this, what kind of signal do
> >> you think this will send to those NOT breaking the law and jumping the
> >> line? Man think this through.
> >
> > I have, believe it or not. My deal is, I don't care if they're not
white. I
> > just want them to stop depressing wages. If they were legal workers,
they
> > wouldn't be depressing wages. They could unionize, refuse to work unpaid
> > overtime, file OSHA complaints, etc etc. That's my only issue with
illegal
> > immigration.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> >
>
> So really, the Union is your priority not what is the right thing for
> this nation.

What's the "right thing for this nation" that's separate from the right to
refuse to work unpaid OT, the right to unionize, the right of legal workers
not to have their wages depressed by illegal low paid labor, the right to
file OSHA complaints, etc?

Curt