🚀 go-pugleaf

Curt said on 8/16/2006 12:25 PM:
> "az-willie" <sclause@npole.com> wrote in message
> news:aqIEg.204798$k%3.95987@dukeread12...
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>> Curt said on 8/16/2006 10:18 AM:
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>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> I think just the "fine the holy piss" option would do just fine.
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>>>> Disagree curt, they know damn well they are breaking the law. They are
>>>> criminals. If you are going to hand out justice and be fair about it
>>>> (Remember the blindfold on the statue of liberty?) it has got to be
>>>> across the board. You have to send a signal that this will not be
>>>> tolerated by any criminal be they a big criminal or a small one. That
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> is
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>>>> being fair.
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>>> Well, no, they're not criminals. It's not a crime to be an illegal
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> alien.
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>>> You can't go to jail for it. You can only be deported.
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>> Actually, they can go to jail for it. They can be charged with
>> conspiracy to smuggle which is a felony.
>> And, if caught a second time, they can get 6 months ( without any
>> conspiracy rap .. just being illegal ).
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> I'll take your word for that, although I've never heard of it happening.
> Conspiracy to smuggle what? Themselves?
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Yep, when they seek out a coyote to smuggle them and plan how they are 
going to be smuggled -- that is a conspiracy to commit a crime ( 
smuggling ).
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>>>>   These folks
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>>>>> are coming here for work, after all, not for the company. If the work
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>>> wasn't
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>>>>> here, neither would be the folks. Another option -- just let them be
>>>>> citizens.
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>> Strange the newspaper in Mexico city has over 100 pages of help wanted
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> ads.
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>> There is plenty of work in Mexico. But they don't like the wages.
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>> Can't say I blame them for not liking their countries economic system ..
>> but they should stay home and revolt and fix their own house.
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>> Seems I saw an article just recently that only 5% of the illegals
>> surveyed had been unemployed at home.
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> Fair enough. But work that doesn't pay enough to keep you around
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I sympathize with their problem -- but it is THEIR problem, not the 
problem of the legal workers in the U.S.
Except it is being made our problem.

Employers shipped out all the jobs they can to low / slave wage 
countries and for those jobs they can't export they want to import the 
cheap labor and they are paying our Congresscritters to do nothing but 
talk and pretend they will stop it.

Ironically, the U.S. ships back people from China and Barbados and many 
other places because they are classified as economic refugees ( not 
fleeing communism ). The government claims they are only coming here for 
economic reasons but it opens it's arms to the people coming across out 
southern border for economic reasons and will often even state they are 
only coming here to improve their lot in life.

Can you say hypocrisy boys and girls?
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>>>> Bullcrap! Bullcrap! Bullcrap! If you did this, what kind of signal do
>>>> you think this will send to those NOT breaking the law and jumping the
>>>> line? Man think this through.
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>>> I have, believe it or not. My deal is, I don't care if they're not
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> white. I
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>>> just want them to stop depressing wages. If they were legal workers,
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> they
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>>> wouldn't be depressing wages. They could unionize, refuse to work unpaid
>>> overtime, file OSHA complaints, etc etc. That's my only issue with
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> illegal
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>>> immigration.
>>>
>>> Curt
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>> Very true. One solution is to grant instant citizenship at the border.
>> Then employers couldn't brow beat them with threats of calling
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> Immigration.
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>> That won't happen though, because business WANTS them to be illegal so
>> they can be forced to work for low wages in crappy unsafe conditions to
>> increase their profit.
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> Well I don't want to grant instant citizenship either, realistically. But
> it's a solution that would accomplish what I want to happen as regards
> wages.
>
> Curt
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Have no fear, it will never happen because business wants workers it can 
threaten and force to work in substandard conditions and for substandard 
wages. The CEO's don't give a damn as long as they get their 
multi-million dollar bonus and can live in the South of France or the 
Caribbean or whereever in the lap of luxury.

They will get theirs and they don't give a damn who they hurt in the 
process or if they destroy this country.


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