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Ray Fischer wrote:
> 
> Rob Hocker  <rah@teleport.com> wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> [etc.]
> 
> >> Like I said.  A CPC will try to pursuade a woman to avoid an abortion
> >
> >Since you seem to be a little slow... the line above is the part I
> >agree with and...
> >
> >> regardless of the consequences to her.
> >
> >the line above is the part I disagree with.
> 
> Suit yourself.  I know of no circumstance where a CPC would counsel
> a woman to get an abortion.
> 

If the mother's life is in danger, they would say it becomes her choice.
It becomes similar to a matter of self-defense (except the child is also
a victim of the medical circumstance).

> >> >They WILL NOT advocate anything that endangers the mother,
> >> >either, since their stance is that life inside and outside the
> >> >womb is precious.
> >>
> >> They won't advocate anything except childbirth.  Given that the risks
> >> from childbirth are rather higher than the risks from abortion, it's
> >> clear that CPCs _do_ advocate that which endangers the mother.
> >
> >Given that what you state as "given" is not given at all, CPC's advocate
> >what is best for *both* mother and child.
> 
> It's well known that the risk of dying from childbirth overall is ten
> times higher than the risk of dying from an abortion overall.  If you
> consider only first trimester abortions, then the difference becomes
> even more dramatic since women don't die from 1st trimester abortions.
> 
> Also, referring to an embryo as a "child" is a bit of a reach.
> 

Ok.  Child implies perhaps a later period in life.  But an embryo
conjures up images of chickens.  Lets just call in like it is...
a young human life.

> >> >  Nor do CPC's have have a founder who was into eugenics
> >>
> >> Just affiliates known for arson and assault and murder.
> >
> >violent persons in the general population holding *any* view
> >can hardly be compared to the *founder* of an organization.
> 
> Oh?  The anti-abortion leaders regularly advocate the use of violence
> and commen the murder of doctors.

There are some so-called "leaders" who advocate violence, but their
numbers are few in contrast to all who hold pro-life values.  And,
again, they haven't founded organizations that are successful in
carrying out their violent views as is Planned Parenthood.

>  I know of no pro-choice leader of
> advocate who has either committed murder or commended murder.

I guess the blood of millions of "young human lives" is enough for them.

> 
> >> >and the destruction of blacks as a race, as Planned Parenthood has
> >> >in it's founder Margaret Sanger.
> >>
> >> Who has been dead for many years and who has no relevance at all to
> >> today's Planned Parenthood.
> >
> >Except that they have *never* renounced her for what she stood for and
> >believed in...
> 
> Maybe they've never denounced what you _claim_ she stood for.
> 

Her writings and letters are available for all to read.

Rob.