🚀 go-pugleaf

Ray Fischer wrote:
> 
> Rob Hocker  <rah@teleport.com> wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> Papa Jack  <papajack@express-news.net> wrote:
> >> >Not A Speck of Cereal. wrote:
> 
> >> >> Karen, this is just my opinion and I don't want to stop anyone
> >> >> else from giving theirs, but here it is:  This is really not a very
> >> >> good place to get real advice and councelling for you or your
> >> >> friend.  Why?  Because while we all have our own (very humble ;^)
> >> >> opinions, there are very few of us qualified to give proper advice.
> >> >> Most of the opinions that you would get here would be nothing
> >> >> more than UNqualified opinions, even if well meaning. Your freind
> >> >> certainly should have someone to talk to, but I recommend a
> >> >> qualified counselor at a clinic who staffs one (like Planned
> >> >> Parenthood) or if she goes to Church, her pastor.
> >> >
> >> >I agree with everything Chris says except the Planned Parenthood
> >> >recommendation.  PPs are chop shops who are the nation's largest
> >> >provider of abortions.  They pretty it up with superficial "coun-
> >> >seling" -- but, the choices/alternatives they offer are limited.
> >>
> >> Keep in mind that Jack is anti-abortion and really has no idea what
> >> happens at a Planned Parenthood clinic.  In fact, abortions are only a
> >> small part of PP's business, and they do provide information about all
> >> available options.
> >>
> >> >Instead, try a crisis pregnancy center (CPC) near you:
> >>
> >> CPC's are also anti-abortion and will try to pursuade you to avoid
> >> getting an abortion, regardless of the consequences to you.
> >>
> >
> >What Ray says is only partly true.
> 
> And then Hocker proceeds to confirm what I wrote.  I wonder which part
> was not true.
> 
> >It is true that CPC's are well suited for those who are looking
> >for an alternative to abortion and, since they understand that
> >the child in the womb is just that -- a child -- they will try
> >and seek a solution that does not take the life of the child.
> 
> Like I said.  A CPC will try to pursuade a woman to avoid an abortion

Since you seem to be a little slow... the line above is the part I
agree with and...

> regardless of the consequences to her.
> 

the line above is the part I disagree with.

> >They WILL NOT advocate anything that endangers the mother,
> >either, since their stance is that life inside and outside the
> >womb is precious.
> 
> They won't advocate anything except childbirth.  Given that the risks
> from childbirth are rather higher than the risks from abortion, it's
> clear that CPCs _do_ advocate that which endangers the mother.

Given that what you state as "given" is not given at all, CPC's advocate
what is best for *both* mother and child.

> 
> >But unlike Planned Parenthood, they're eyes are not blinded by
> >the billions of dollars received for advocating and performing
> >abortions.
> 
[snipped]
> 
> >  Nor do CPC's have have a founder who was into eugenics
> 
> Just affiliates known for arson and assault and murder.
>
 
violent persons in the general population holding *any* view
can hardly be compared to the *founder* of an organization.

> >and the destruction of blacks as a race, as Planned Parenthood has
> >in it's founder Margaret Sanger.
> 
> Who has been dead for many years and who has no relevance at all to
> today's Planned Parenthood.
> 

Except that they have *never* renounced her for what she stood for and
believed in... except that the organization itself is an outgrowth of
her philosophy... except that they actively celebrate her as their
founder.

Rob