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In article <20040413141246960-0600@news.telusplanet.net>, 
shhh@dontaskdonttell.org says...
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>In <3QLec.9114$2H4.3369@clgrps12> Oliver Wendell Jones wrote:
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>> And what is a 'just war', one with the Jesus stamp of approval?
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>Hard one, but let me see...I suppose, inspite of all the recent events 
>to the contrary, we can call WWII and just war in that that world was 
>about to fall prey to one, possibly two, powerful regimes bent on 
>genocide.
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>Gulf War part two: When Saddam was a friend of US foreign policy, he had 
>an oppressive bent, but that didn't matter to the US: Saddam was their 
>friend. Hell, they even gave him the intelligence and the WMD agents to 
>kill some 8,000 Kurds, as well as several thousands of Iranians. (I 
>guess at that time, the Kurds and the Iranians were bad to the US.) So, 
>in the second Gulf War, the US not only calls Saddam an "enemy of 
>humanity", but they say they ousting him to avenge the deaths of the 
>Kurds and Shi'as he's killed. Just proves that US foreign policy is as 
>two-faced as ever. And now, not only are the Sunnis the enemy insurgents, 
>but all those victimized Shi'as have become enemies of the US. With all 
>the modification of the truth going on here, one wonders is the Bush 
>Administration thinks that everyone has short term memory like them.
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>> What is an 'unjust war'?  Waged by evil devil people?
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>I suppose in the minds of the Iraqi insurgents, they are waging a just 
>war against an imperial power that wants nothing more than to slaughter 
>them wholesale in the name of oil and Geo. W. Bush's monster ego. 
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>In that case, not enough Americans will die, but here's to their efforts.
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>> In article <20040412230750849-0600@news.telusplanet.net>, 
>> shhh@dontaskdonttell.org says...
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>>>In <iZIec.9092$2H4.6560@clgrps12> Oliver Wendell Jones wrote:
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>>>> Rooney's article missed the mark.  Of course a war correspondant 
>>>> couldn't ask  "do you think we're achieving our goals or should we 
>>>> pull out?" now like they  used to in WW2, because in WW2 almost 
>>>> everybody was onboard against the 'evil  nazi menace'.  It would 
>>>> have  been unthinkable to even suggest retreat no matter  how steep 
>>>> the  casualties.  This is why Rooney's analogy is useless, and more  
>>>> than a  little disingenuous.  That whole patriotic anti-nazi 
>>>> sentiment from  WW2  was shifted right into anti-communist sentiment, 
>>>> fairly well  played domestic  strategy, in fact.
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>>>So, all you mentioned was that Rooney, and those of his generation, 
>>>knew  the difference between a just and unjust war.  Try again?
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