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"Avenger" <m6@avenger.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> "james" <tune2828@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Yet somehow I'd rather invite them to my party than you.
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> Why don't you just "immigrate" to Mexico then you can party with them all
> you like.
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>
>   Why don't
>> you start running a hospital and see how far you get turning away
>> emergency victims?
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> It's true you can't turn away emergency victims even if they are criminals
> but see how far you'd get operating a hospital when you're not getting, 
> paid
> so ultimately they'll be no hospital there for these "victims" in 
> overloaded
> dangerous broken down vans to go to, or anyone else for that matter.
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>> You limit your vision to the border/political issue - If we're truly an
>> example for the world you should be considering the human rights
>> aspects as well.
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> I don't see you criticising Mexico. After all most of these illegals are
> breaking into the US because of the corruption there. These Indian 
> peasants
> from Mexico, as I understand, were supposed to have land of their own in
> Mexico under reforms. What happened? Spend you time criticising the 
> Mexican
> government because that's where the blame belongs. And see how they treat
> "immigrants" who break into their country.
>
> The US is just a country not a charity and it's up to the citizens to
> determine who they want into the country. Foreign nationals do not make
> policy or dictate to the US. Personally, I would only permit educated 
> and/or
> financially well off people into the country. The low paying jobs would be
> done by the US poor or students on holiday.
>

FYI:
Publish Date: 11/26/2006

LUH sees free care exploding

By Trevor Hughes
The Daily Times-Call

LONGMONT - Patients with fake or nonexistent Social Security numbers are 
consuming
millions of dollars' worth of health care at the city's local hospital, and 
the
amount is increasing dramatically.

Longmont United Hospital is on track this year to provide about $25 million 
worth of
health care to people who can't or won't pay, up from about $21.3 million in 
2005.

Of that care, $7.7 million worth - about 30 percent - will go to people who 
lack a
valid Social Security number, the hospital reported. In 2005, $3.6 million 
in care
was given to people without valid documentation.

And the amount of free care given to those without proper documentation has 
leapt
1,620 percent from 2002 to today, In 2002, LUH provided just $448,000 in 
care to
people without documentation, the hospital reported.

While health-care costs are a struggle for many employers and families, they 
are
felt acutely by LUH, which as a nonprofit hospital cannot turn away 
patients. That
means it must care for anyone who needs help in an emergency or giving 
birth.

LUH officials embrace that role in the community, but they say it's getting 
harder
and harder to meet the city's needs.

LUH says it is "dedicated to improving the health of our patients and the
communities we serve." The hospital earlier this year broke ground on a $12 
million
emergency department expansion.

Space will jump from 9,800 to 25,000 square feet, allowing LUH to log 45,000 
visits
annually versus the current 26,000 visits, officials said in starting 
construction.

"It's our absolute obligation to take care of these people," said Mitch 
Carson, the
hospital's CEO. "It's absolutely something we have to do."

LUH's emergency department is often the last resort for local residents who 
can't
get or don't have health insurance through their job.

But experts say it's far cheaper to give people routine health care to ward 
off or
manage major problems, rather than dealing with catastrophic illnesses and 
injuries
in an emergency.

Because the hospital deals with Medicare and Medicaid payments, it tracks 
the Social
Security numbers of patients, if they have them.

It also tracks where its patients say they live. According to hospital 
records, 80
percent of the charity care is provided to people who live in a Longmont ZIP 
code,
most in 80501, but also 80504 and 80502. That means the hospital is not 
drawing
patients to it for out of town; they are already here.

Free or unreimbursed care is a problem for hospitals all over Colorado, 
Colorado
Hospital Association spokeswoman Marty Arizumi said.

She said there's been industry discussion that new state laws requiring 
anyone
receiving state services to provide proof of legal residency may end up 
driving
illegal immigrants away from getting routine health care such as flu shots. 
That
means people may get sicker and seek emergency care at hospitals that are 
legally
obligated to care for them.

Because there is no such thing as "free" health care, hospitals and insurers 
charge
paying customers more to make up some of the shortfall.

"There is concern in the community at large that more people are going to be 
driven
into the hospitals," Arizumi said.

Trevor Hughes can be reached at 303-684-5220, or by e-mail at
thughes@times-call.com.
http://www.longmontfyi.com/region-story.asp?ID=11405


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http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20061128/NEWS/61128011

Four dead in minivan crash

Driver fled on foot and but was taken into custody after a search that 
involved police dogs, state patrol says







1) http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4689690?source=rss  Ill Mexican nationals go 
home



2) 
http://www.kusa.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=2a6a100f-0abe-421a-0090-377edeee6a60&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bfHospital 
expects increase in cost for patients without proper paperwork



3) http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_318115317.html Mexican Consul 
Announces Winter Campaign



4) http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html  The High Cost of Cheap 
Labor

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http://apps.vaildaily.com/vd_polls/story-comments.php



 Per the law--as soon as these 10 people are stabilized--they ARE being 
deported right? Like immediately, right?



1) Hundreds of Mexican illegal immigrants are in Colorado not just for work 
but also for free medical care... Denver-area family that includes several 
illegal immigrants - and a U.S.- born 14-year-old boy with cerebral palsy 
and heart trouble -  <b>Now they rely on Medicaid to pay these bills, though 
the father holds a job that has allowed them to afford a home...</b>Mexican 
officials have agreed to bring some home and help them find doctors there. 
But many of these illegal immigrants - including Eloina Meza, a single 
mother of a disabled boy featured in the Nov. 13 Denver Post - <b>see little 
incentive</b> to return to a country where comparable opportunities don't 
exist. Juan Marcos Gutierrez, Mexico's consul general in Denver, confirmed a 
new deal negotiated ... (Denver Post-11-20-06)

2) Longmont United Hospital says it is expecting to spend $7.7 million on 
health care for people with fake or nonexistent Social Security numbers...In 
2002, the hospital says it spent more than $400,000 on care for patients 
without documentation. In 2005, the hospital says that number jumped to more 
than $3 million. This year, the hospital says that number is expected to 
more than double. However, few businesses, let alone the hospital industry, 
can offer anything for free. ( 9 News, 11-27-06)

3) (AP) DENVER The Mexican Consulate of Colorado launched it's third  annual 
winter outreach program Tuesday, <b>directing health and welfare services to 
Mexican immigrants</b> in the state's rural areas. Consul General Juan 
Marcos Gutierrez Gonzalez said <b>rather than focus </b> on strict new 
Colorado immigration laws. (CBS 4 news, 11-27-06)

>

4)  On average, illegal households pay more than $4,200 a year in all forms 
of federal taxes. Unfortunately, they impose costs of $6,950 per household.

 Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the 
uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, 
and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems 
($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion). (Research study, 
Washington DC)


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>> james :: http://www.futuregringo.com
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>> tedorn44@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Iconoclast wrote:
>>> > The usual plethora of overloaded vans full of Bush's guest illegals
>>> > brings
>>> > the usual fatal accidents -- and injured illegals filling our
>>> > hospitals.
>>> > The community hospital in Longmont, Colorado, is in the red as 
>>> > illegals
>>> > with
>>> > fake ID's use the ER for routine free, socialized medicine.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10416439/detail.html
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>>> We gotta be nuts giving illegal aliens any medical attention unless the
>>> Mexican government guarantees payment for such services. Fat chance!
>>> Let them croak in the waiting room.
>>>
>>> ted
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