🚀 go-pugleaf

Well said.  I applaud your speaking out what I'm sure echoes the feelings of
many silent followers in this newsgroup.

Scott

susan@pop.service.ohio-state.edu wrote in message ...
>Angsto the Clown <angsto@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>
>> Subject:      Re: Town Hall at OSU.
>> From:         Garrett <no.spam.garrett@en.com.no.spam>
>> Date:         1998/02/21
>> Message-ID:   <34EE93DB.73D3@en.com.no.spam>
>> Newsgroups: <<<<snipped>>>>>>>
>>
>> Cynical wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Allen Grotsky,
>>
>>>> I understand and support the constitution.
>>
>> Do you really? Hmm...
>>
>>>> I defend to the death your right to speak.
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> Then why wasn't I able to hear half of what the panel was trying to say
>> because of the mobs' "right to free speach"? In other words, you defend
>> people right to speak, just not being able to be heard! It's one thing
>> to be able to interrogate the panelists, it is another to act like
>> a foolish mob of raving lunatics which 1) made it impossible for
>> viewers to intellectually digest the debate and 2) fed right into
>> Saddam's propoganda machine.
>>
>> You know, it's funny that everyone complains how this was a "staged
>> media event"
>> (which it was - so what) and how "THEY are trying to squelch our right
>> to free speech", while at the same time, this mob (and the same people
>> at
>> Minnesota) did precisely the same thing.
>>
>> But I guess it's OK after you have been drinking coffee all day.
>>
>>>> Too bad everything you say is absolute, uneducated bullsh**.
>>>>You on the other hand do not understand nor support the constitution.
>>>>So go wipe your a** with it again.
>>>> Angsto the Clown
>> > > http://www.iwaynet.net/~angsto/angsto2.htm
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Uhh, Mr. Clown, it is bad manners to curse in a newsgroup.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> -G
>>
>> Garrett,
>>
>>     Ever read up on the constitution or writings of Jefferson, Paine,
>> Mason, Madison, Washington, Franklin and on and on?  Do so.  It will
>> open your eyes to the purpose of founding a nation and writing a
>> constitution.  Dissent, even LOUD dissent, is protected speech.  The
>> most foul and disagreeable speech is the speech that deserves the most
>> protection and guarantees.  Even the Supreme Court has said so many
>> times.
>
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>
>>U.S. SUPREME COURT:
>>"Regulations which permit the Government to discriminate on the basis of
>>the content of the message cannot be tolerated under the First Amendment."
>>
>>"[T]he fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient
>>reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that
>>gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it
>>constitutional protection."
>
>>"If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is
>>that the Government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply
>>because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable."
>>
>> Excerpts from the Opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court
>>
>>                                      <<<<profanity snipped>>>>
>>                       Excerpt from 'Angsto, the man and the myth'
>>
>>  Any public figure can and must be held up to ridicule and abuse,
>
>So we can do the same to you by that interpretation.
>Where did you ever learn that they "must be held up to ridicule and abuse"?
>Certainly not from your Supreme Court quote. It only refers to the right to
>speak an idea/opinion even though it is "offensive or disagreeable".
>
>The disagreeement wasn't the problem, the presentation was. Those yelling
>over the speakers were not letting the government the right of speaking
>THEIR opinion even though the yelling few found it "offensive or
>disagreeable". It's a two way street.
>
>> especially those pinheads who attempt to sway public opinion
>
>Like those yelling their voices over all in the field house?
>
>> with shady deals and pictures of dead women and children!
>
>Saddam's the one who used the poison on his own people.
>
>
>> As for old Saddam's propaganda machine, what planet do you live on?
>
>Third rock from the sun...need a vector to get back here?
>
>>Saddam doesn't need one nor does he have one.
>
>And your expertise and expert sources in the region tell you this?
>Puhleeze! Tell me another fairy tale!
>
>> Puhleeze!  Our fearless leaders do quite well blowing it out their
>> a**es all by themselves without the help of some imaginary middle
>> eastern disinformation network.
>
>Which network would that be?
>
>> Who needs disinformation?
>
>You seem to thrive on it!
>
>> One only needs to subscribe to someone like Iwaynet's newsfeeds.
>> They suck so bad I didn't get this note there butthrough Dejanews!
>> Real information is lost through poor technology and negligence.
>
>Well if Iwaynet is not meeting your standards why don't you find an ISP
>that will...if that's possible.
>No one's chained you to Iwaynet (Have they?).
>
>>I have a grasp of the nature of the constitution and its bill of rights.
>
>Only as they seemingly apply to your desires. Get a grasp on the HUMAN
>side of the bill of rights and you'll find that there must be a give and
>take to survive and just because one can yell louder doesn't make him/her
>right.
>
>> Read them and weep.
>
>I read your posts and weep for you and the venom that you speak.
>
>> Angsto