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Want real censorship? Try this!

#112
From: Angsto the Clown
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:00
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This kind of nonsense has been dumped on me for 5 years.  Forget Blumenthaul.
This hits a bit closer to home.
Angsto

Jack Warner wrote:

> Where was your indignation about free speech last week when Blumenthaul was
> called before Star's grand jury for, allegedly, saying bad things about
> Star and his prosecutors?
>
> I just wish the protesters at osu would have had something more
> intelligent to say.
>
> Angsto the Clown (angsto@iwaynet.net) wrote:
> : Well said.  I applaud your speaking out what I'm sure echoes the
> : feelings of
> : many silent followers in this newsgroup.
>
> : Scott
>
> : susan@pop.service.ohio-state.edu wrote in message ...
> : >> Garrett,
> : >>
> : >>     Ever read up on the constitution or writings of Jefferson, Paine,
>
> : >> Mason, Madison, Washington, Franklin and on and on?  Do so.  It will
> : >> open your eyes to the purpose of founding a nation and writing a
> : >> constitution.  Dissent, even LOUD dissent, is protected speech.  The
> : >> most foul and disagreeable speech is the speech that deserves the
> : most
> : >> protection and guarantees.  Even the Supreme Court has said so many
> : >> times.
> : >
> : >(Note: Text below was formatted for easier reading. No words were
> : edited.)
> : >
> : >>U.S. SUPREME COURT:
> : >>"Regulations which permit the Government to discriminate on the basis
> : of
> : >>the content of the message cannot be tolerated under the First
> : Amendment."
> : >>
> : >>"[T]he fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient
>
> : >>reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that
>
> : >>gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it
> : >>constitutional protection."
> : >
> : >>"If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is
>
> : >>that the Government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply
> : >>because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable."
> : >>
> : >> Excerpts from the Opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court
> : >>
> : >>                                      <<<<profanity snipped>>>>
> : >>                       Excerpt from 'Angsto, the man and the myth'
> : >>
> : >>  Any public figure can and must be held up to ridicule and abuse,
> : >
> : >So we can do the same to you by that interpretation.
> : >Where did you ever learn that they "must be held up to ridicule and
> : abuse"?
> : >Certainly not from your Supreme Court quote. It only refers to the
> : right to
> : >speak an idea/opinion even though it is "offensive or disagreeable".
> : >
> : >The disagreeement wasn't the problem, the presentation was. Those
> : yelling
> : >over the speakers were not letting the government the right of speaking
>
> : >THEIR opinion even though the yelling few found it "offensive or
> : >disagreeable". It's a two way street.
> : >
> : >> especially those pinheads who attempt to sway public opinion
> : >
> : >Like those yelling their voices over all in the field house?
> : >
> : >> with shady deals and pictures of dead women and children!
> : >
> : >Saddam's the one who used the poison on his own people.
> : >
> : >
> : >> As for old Saddam's propaganda machine, what planet do you live on?
> : >
> : >Third rock from the sun...need a vector to get back here?
> : >
> : >>Saddam doesn't need one nor does he have one.
> : >
> : >And your expertise and expert sources in the region tell you this?
> : >Puhleeze! Tell me another fairy tale!
> : >
> : >> Puhleeze!  Our fearless leaders do quite well blowing it out their
> : >> a**es all by themselves without the help of some imaginary middle
> : >> eastern disinformation network.
> : >
> : >Which network would that be?
> : >
> : >> Who needs disinformation?
> : >
> : >You seem to thrive on it!
> : >
> : >> One only needs to subscribe to someone like Iwaynet's newsfeeds.
> : >> They suck so bad I didn't get this note there butthrough Dejanews!
> : >> Real information is lost through poor technology and negligence.
> : >
> : >Well if Iwaynet is not meeting your standards why don't you find an ISP
>
> : >that will...if that's possible.
> : >No one's chained you to Iwaynet (Have they?).
> : >
> : >>I have a grasp of the nature of the constitution and its bill of
> : rights.
> : >
> : >Only as they seemingly apply to your desires. Get a grasp on the HUMAN
> : >side of the bill of rights and you'll find that there must be a give
> : and
> : >take to survive and just because one can yell louder doesn't make
> : him/her
> : >right.
> : >
> : >> Read them and weep.
> : >
> : >I read your posts and weep for you and the venom that you speak.
> : >
> : >> Angsto
>
> : I find this kind of thing amazing.  Meek individuals, admittedly
> : "lurking yet not speaking" suddenly becoming so aroused by the written
> : word of another they must respond.  They not only respond, they respond
> : to each and every line and statement with a simplistic, childish aside
> : that shows only a grade school concept of the constitution and real
> : debate.  Screw you.  Snipping naughty words and telling others they
> : should "love it or leave it" is pinheaded at its ignorant best.  These
> : people are the perfect dupes of the politicians, blindly following any
> : crap fed to them and buying into the fascist propaganda. Scott and Susan
> : should get together and start a threatening letter writing campaign to
> : stamp out dissent and make the world, Cowlumbus and Ohio State safe for
> : milktoast thought.  Guess what kiddies?  Angsto has accomplished his
> : mission, namely to get nervous nellies like you to stop being another
> : "brick in the wall" and actually DO SOMETHING, even if its just to toss
> : off your little backbiting nonsense. Waaah, waaaah, waaaaaaaaaaah!
> : Crybabies.  You and yours have created the kind of society we live in
> : today, one where it is immoral to have sex or look at it, and moral to
> : bomb babies and claim to be proud of it.  Sick fuckers.
> : Angsto
> : http://www.iwaynet.net/~angsto/angsto2.htm
> : Angsto returns to TV on Sunday, 3/15 & 3/22 and Wed. 3/18 & 3/25 at
> : 11:30 pm on Channel 21, the freak channel in central Ohio.  Soon to air,
> : the Angsto takes Manhattan episode where a Penns. politician blows his
> : brains out to the 1812 overture!
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>           Whatever you do will be insignificant. But it is
>               very important that you do it.  -Gandhi-
> ---jwarner@freenet.columbus.oh.us   http;//www.iwaynet.net/~jack1`------------
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From: Angsto the Clown <angsto@iwaynet.net>
Subject: Want real censorship? Try this!
Date: 1998/03/10
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