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I don't really see the point in a Microsoft cert - too many people I know that have
an MCSE can't network worth sh*t and don't know what ports are. But they can
bamboozle you with win.ini file knowledge. They usually get cranked out in 2 week
courses.

Cisco certs are very expensive :( but are portable to many platforms. And most
people with a CCNA/CCIE kick a$$.

I don't know much about the Novell and other certs... I imagine they would be
somewhere in the middle.

Can anyone here with an MCSE tell me what real-world knowledge you got from the
course?

If I had the choice of certs I would probably get the GIAC and CISSP followed by
CCNA. The linux certs are in a bit of flux... not sure if there are any real
standards out there.

P

Smackey Two-Tongues wrote:

> Certifications are a bit of a double edged sword.  On one hand, they
> show that you know something about a new technology.  Good luck
> getting anything like that from a university program.  On the other
> hand, they are problem for people who need to constantly recertify.
> Some days I wish I was a plumber, not a lot you need to know after the
> 5th year.
>
> While some people pass certifications with only a rudimentary
> knowledge of the subject, at least it shows that they have a certain
> work ethic and that they are willing to devote the time to
> learning/training for something new.  I think that point might be
> overlooked a lot.  I also think that MCSE's with NT should completely
> recertify ... but that is another topic entirely (since I have to with
> my MCSD - no breaks for me!).
>
> As far as financing a site like that? No idea but it is a pretty good
> site and they have some good practice tests.
>
> -stt
>
> On 6 Jun 2002 04:23:59 GMT, cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Elat Lerner)
> wrote:
>
> >Smackey Two-Tongues (Smackey Two-Tongues) writes:
> >> http://www.certcities.com/
> >
> >Cool, I had no idea there were web sites dedicated to the topic
> >of IT certifications. Who finances a site like that? They
> >don't seem to have a lot of advertising.
> >
> >And on another note, I have always wondered what percentage
> >of the revenues of companies such as Microsoft is derived
> >from the certification programs. Whoever started this
> >certification business was a genious. Not only do
> >they charge an arm an a leg testing, books, what have you,
> >but they also have an army of certified "professionals" who
> >are pushing the company's products for them at no cost.
> >
> >> On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:50:17 -0400, "garp" <garp_234@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Does anyone know where I can find more information about a Linux
> >>>certification?
> >>>Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Elat Lerner" <cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> >>>news:adjnem$cfk$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
> >>>> blackjacker (play2bonk@hotmail.com) writes:
> >>>> > Certifications are about as usefull as toiler paper.  The same goes
> >>>> > for microsoft certifications.  The most important thing is experience
> >>>> > and a solid CS education.
> >>>>
> >>>> You and I may agree on this, but the rest of the world apparently not.
> >>>>
> >>>> In  a major study just completed and paid for by you and me (HRDC) the
> >>>> following (surprising) conclusions have been reached:
> >>>> * Certifications are most important to employers when hiring
> >>>>    managerial and senior staff (page 76)
> >>>> * IT employees look for certifications by Cisco, Linux, Oracle and Sun
> >>>> *  Employers value certifications by Microsoft and Novell (page 77)
> >>>>
> >>>> For more information check out
> >>>>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OttawaHiTech/message/35
> >>>>
> >>>> > kaja@digitalschemes.com wrote in message
> >>>news:<3CF3C028.DA6702C0@digitalschemes.com>...
> >>>> >> Hi,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I have been watching this newsgroup for a while and there has been some
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> >>>am
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> >>>> >>
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> >>>> >>
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> >>>> >>         3) GARBAGE COLLECTION
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> >>>> >>
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> >>>> >> how
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> >>>> >>
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> >>>> >> Karel
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>