🚀 go-pugleaf

Rob Hall wrote:
> I disagree that ISP's are doomed in this race.  Typically they are smaller and
> faster at adopting new technology.  Take Echelon for example. We are offering
> ADSL at a higher speed than bell (almost 4 times faster) and to businesses
> before Bell.  While our lead may only be a year or so, it is enough to stay
> ahead of them.  The key is to always be testing new products to keep ahead of
> them again and again.

Mind sharing a bit of the details?
Who's equipment are you using?  The downstream is 4 or 7.8 but what's
upstream?
Is there one head-end ADSL modem per customer or are you using a DSLAM?

-Ralph

--
Ralph Doncaster, Doncaster Consulting Inc   email: ralph@doncaster.on.ca

Actually Frank, you are technically right and wrong.

True, they have a DMS 500 on Laurier, but that doesn't give them access to the 
copper they need.

So, they have purchased co-location space in the Bell CO on O'connor and have 
run fiber between the two.  In the Bell CO they have put basically a remote 
that will connect to the copper lines bell uses and backhaul it to their switch 
for routing.

They are NOT pulling masses of copper lines into Laurier St. nor anywhere for 
that matter.  They run fiber into a building and put a remote station in each 
one where there is high density, or they use Bell's copper to the location in 
low density areas.

In response to the other reply by someone else, they pulled through old water 
mains in Toronto, not in Ottawa.  As they now own Rogers, they already have 
access to most buildings in Ottawa and will use that fiber.

Rob.


In article <6nrtf8$945$1@news.igs.net>, frank@igs.net says...
>
>Metronet is in fact NOT co-located  with Bell, Metronet has put a DMS 500
>switch into there building on Laurier *the old IBM building).  They are also
>putting a fibre ring in the OLD gas conduits in the city.  Their exchange
>will be 688-xxxx .
>
>Frank
>
>Rob Hall wrote in message ...
>>In article <359FDF83.2BE1F682@sympatico.ca>, nospam@sympatico.ca says...
>>>
>>>Elvis Graton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In article <35998E66.C4F6C593@sympatico.ca>, Ralph Doncaster
>>>> <nospam@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Very risky service to get into.  BC Tel filed to pull their copper
>tarriff
>>>> > last year and you can bet bell will do the same soon.
>>>> > Without LDDS how do you plan on providing service?
>>>> >
>>>> > -Ralph
>>>>
>>>> LDDS loops are also offered by MetroNet, and a few others that will be
>in
>>>[...]
>>>But compared to Bell, Metronet has virtually no copper at all....
>>>
>>
>>I suspect he is refering to the fact that Metronet has purchased
>co-location
>>space at Bell's CO on O'connor Street and has access to Bell's downtown
>copper.
>>However, I am not sure Metronet can sell an LDDS circuit, as they have to
>get
>>the other end of the copper to you, or let you share their co-locate space.
>>
>>When I put this question to them 2 weeks ago, the answer was "at this time,
>no,
>>but we will check on possibly doing it sometime in the future".  They also
>>mentioned they would have to run it by their regulatory people.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Robert Hall
>>President
>>Echelon Internet Corp.
>>rob@echelon.ca
>>
>>Vice-Chair, Canadian Association of Internet Providers (CAIP) www.caip.ca
>>
>>Bringing Canadians up to Speed !
>>
>
>

-- 
--
  Rob Hall                                voice  (613) 820-4000
  President                                 fax  (613) 820-0777
  Echelon Internet Corp.                   info  info@echelon.ca
  rob@echelon.ca                            www  http://www.echelon.ca/
  Vice-Chair, Canadian Association of Internet Providers.  www.caip.ca   
  The difference between Genius and Insanity is measured by one's success.