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Stupid ill thought out legislation is exactly what it is.  The operator card
does not test a boater at the helm unlike a drivers road test that says ok
ya read the book now lets drive the car and prove you know your stuff.
Until you test at the helm you really don't know that the operator
understands that the pointy end in most case goes first.  What this in
reality is a government bureacrates knee jerk reaction to a climbing
accident statistic of PWC accidents and in typical Ottawa puzzle palace
style paints with a broad brush to protect their collective asses...

Bret


"Charles T. Low" <ctlow@boatdocking.com> wrote in message
news:2knj8.335$8X4.89878558@news.ripnet.com...
> Bret,
>
> You make a few common but serious logical errors (IMHO).
>
> 1/ "the common sence equation. Ya just can't teach that... " I strongly
> disagree (see below).
>
> 2/ You yourself claim to be a careful, responsible boater (and firearms
> user), with or without regulation, so therefore regulation is not
required.
> But your conclusion does not follow from your (self-)observation.
>
> 3/ "The Boat Operator Card does not a competent boat operator make..." You
> make it sound like an all-or-nothing proposition. You know that it's not.
> The question should be, does licencing raise the overall level of safety
in
> the population, sufficient to justify the time, expense and energy?
>
> My sense is that the world is divided into three categories. One does not
> need instruction, one will not heed instruction, but the third we can lead
> to instruction. I think that the latter category that comprises the
> majority. I suspect that a lot of people learn a lot of things from
> mandatory training, although of course they don't become experts from one
> introductory course. That's not the point. They bump their level of
> knowledge and skill up a notch or two, and often come away with the
> realization of how much they don't know that didn't used to know they
didn't
> know. That could be an important safety feature all in itself.
>
> I don't have data for this, but apparently there _is_ good data for car
> drivers' licences, for example - training helps, even when mandated. (Not
> everybody, not all the time - does not in any way negate the stats).
>
> I think that what many anti-regulators really mean is that they find
> regulation inconvenient, and that if only everybody else were like them it
> would be unnecessary. But i) it's inconvenient - we all simply have to get
> over it - and ii) everybody else isn't like you - we all have to accept
> that. By your description, you're in category 1 - a minority. We don't
> design systems for the minority. It's always nice if regulators
accommodate
> such a minority by allowing it to write the exam without taking the
course -
> as one can for the Boat Operator's Card!
>
> Charles
>
>   ====
>
> Charles T. Low
> ctlow@boatdocking.com
> www.boatdocking.com/
> www.ctlow.ca/
>
>   ====
>
> "Bret Johnston" <bretj@island.net> wrote in message
> news:a6kaf90251a@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > Ah yes the common sence equation. Ya just can't teach that... It's
almost
> > like the Fire Arms regulations, I have a FAC, I took the course and as
> > before the course I'm still just as carefull as I always was (and for
the
> > snippers that's damn carefull, including 28 years military experiance
with
> > the odd firearm).  They regulate the shit out of me but that still
doesn't
> > stop the illegal sale of restricted weapons and the nut cases, but what
> the
> > hell I'm regulated.
> >
> > The Boat Operator Card does not a competent boat operator make.  That
> comes
> > with common sense and experiance, even the bureocrates in the ivory
towers
> > should be able to understand that one.  I carry a compass, a GPS, a VHF,
a
> > sounder, an auxillary moter, flares, fire extinguisher etc. etc. etc.
not
> > because I'm regulated because it's stupid not to.  I don't go out in bad
> > weather, I come in if the weather is worsening, I keep my boat well
> serviced
> > and have a spare everything.
> >
> > This is like the fire arms thing, one nut case goes into a college and
> kills
> > a bunch of women, yes indeed an awfull thing but now I'm regulated to
> death.
> > Somebody invents the Personnel Water Craft places the village idot at
the
> > controls and once again I get regulated.
> >
> > End Rant
> >
> > Bret
> >
> >
> > "AK" <adam.kennedy@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c8baaee.1612988919@66.185.95.104...
> > > I understand what you are saying - but why would a seasoned mariner
> > > take a full day course when he could likely teach it?
> > >
> > > I challenged the test at the boat show and passed. Did the same thing
> > > for the Firearms Aquisition Certificate a few years back.
> > >
> > > Sure -  a lot of it is common sense -  then again a lot of accidents
> > > could be avoided if people excercised that.
> > >
> > > AK.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:03:06 GMT, "Stinky_Cat" <me@here.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >X-No-archive: Yes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >What's the deal with the CCG's Boat Operator Card?
> > > >They to claim to want to improve water safety by forcing people to
take
> a
> > > >course and then pass a written exam.
> > > >
> > > >I was at the boat show two weeks back and there was an outfit there
> that
> > was
> > > >promoting themselves by telling people to try the exam and if you did
> not
> > > >pass, you did not pay. It was $40.00 if you passed.
> > > >
> > > >I'm sure you can see what's going on here.
> > > >
> > > >I saw young children, and others, passing this test and I know for a
> fact
> > > >they did not pass.
> > > >
> > > >Of course they are going to pass everyone... at $40.00 a head, how
can
> > they
> > > >not... this is easy money. What a racket!
> > > >It does not seem to be regulated at all.
> > > >
> > > >By the way.. I passed. :)
> > > >
> > > >SC/*
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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