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"Bret Johnston" <bretj@island.net> wrote in message
news:a6pccv02b2l@enews1.newsguy.com...
> Stupid ill thought out legislation is exactly what it is.  The operator
card
> does not test a boater at the helm unlike a drivers road test that says ok
> ya read the book now lets drive the car and prove you know your stuff.
> Until you test at the helm you really don't know that the operator
> understands that the pointy end in most case goes first.  What this in
> reality is a government bureacrates knee jerk reaction to a climbing
> accident statistic of PWC accidents and in typical Ottawa puzzle palace
> style paints with a broad brush to protect their collective asses...
>
> Bret
>
>
> "Charles T. Low" <ctlow@boatdocking.com> wrote in message
> news:2knj8.335$8X4.89878558@news.ripnet.com...
> > Bret,
> >
> > You make a few common but serious logical errors (IMHO).
> >
> > 1/ "the common sence equation. Ya just can't teach that... " I strongly
> > disagree (see below).
> >
> > 2/ You yourself claim to be a careful, responsible boater (and firearms
> > user), with or without regulation, so therefore regulation is not
> required.
> > But your conclusion does not follow from your (self-)observation.
> >
> > 3/ "The Boat Operator Card does not a competent boat operator make..."
You
> > make it sound like an all-or-nothing proposition. You know that it's
not.
> > The question should be, does licencing raise the overall level of safety
> in
> > the population, sufficient to justify the time, expense and energy?
> >
> > My sense is that the world is divided into three categories. One does
not
> > need instruction, one will not heed instruction, but the third we can
lead
> > to instruction. I think that the latter category that comprises the
> > majority. I suspect that a lot of people learn a lot of things from
> > mandatory training, although of course they don't become experts from
one
> > introductory course. That's not the point. They bump their level of
> > knowledge and skill up a notch or two, and often come away with the
> > realization of how much they don't know that didn't used to know they
> didn't
> > know. That could be an important safety feature all in itself.
> >
> > I don't have data for this, but apparently there _is_ good data for car
> > drivers' licences, for example - training helps, even when mandated.
(Not
> > everybody, not all the time - does not in any way negate the stats).
> >
> > I think that what many anti-regulators really mean is that they find
> > regulation inconvenient, and that if only everybody else were like them
it
> > would be unnecessary. But i) it's inconvenient - we all simply have to
get
> > over it - and ii) everybody else isn't like you - we all have to accept
> > that. By your description, you're in category 1 - a minority. We don't
> > design systems for the minority. It's always nice if regulators
> accommodate
> > such a minority by allowing it to write the exam without taking the
> course -
> > as one can for the Boat Operator's Card!
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >   ====
> >
> > Charles T. Low
> > ctlow@boatdocking.com
> > www.boatdocking.com/
> > www.ctlow.ca/
> >
> >   ====
> >
> > "Bret Johnston" <bretj@island.net> wrote in message
> > news:a6kaf90251a@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > > Ah yes the common sence equation. Ya just can't teach that... It's
> almost
> > > like the Fire Arms regulations, I have a FAC, I took the course and as
> > > before the course I'm still just as carefull as I always was (and for
> the
> > > snippers that's damn carefull, including 28 years military experiance
> with
> > > the odd firearm).  They regulate the shit out of me but that still
> doesn't
> > > stop the illegal sale of restricted weapons and the nut cases, but
what
> > the
> > > hell I'm regulated.
> > >
> > > The Boat Operator Card does not a competent boat operator make.  That
> > comes
> > > with common sense and experiance, even the bureocrates in the ivory
> towers
> > > should be able to understand that one.  I carry a compass, a GPS, a
VHF,
> a
> > > sounder, an auxillary moter, flares, fire extinguisher etc. etc. etc.
> not
> > > because I'm regulated because it's stupid not to.  I don't go out in
bad
> > > weather, I come in if the weather is worsening, I keep my boat well
> > serviced
> > > and have a spare everything.
> > >
> > > This is like the fire arms thing, one nut case goes into a college and
> > kills
> > > a bunch of women, yes indeed an awfull thing but now I'm regulated to
> > death.
> > > Somebody invents the Personnel Water Craft places the village idot at
> the
> > > controls and once again I get regulated.
> > >
> > > End Rant
> > >
> > > Bret
> > >
> > >
> > > "AK" <adam.kennedy@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c8baaee.1612988919@66.185.95.104...
> > > > I understand what you are saying - but why would a seasoned mariner
> > > > take a full day course when he could likely teach it?
> > > >
> > > > I challenged the test at the boat show and passed. Did the same
thing
> > > > for the Firearms Aquisition Certificate a few years back.
> > > >
> > > > Sure -  a lot of it is common sense -  then again a lot of accidents
> > > > could be avoided if people excercised that.
> > > >
> > > > AK.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:03:06 GMT, "Stinky_Cat" <me@here.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >X-No-archive: Yes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >What's the deal with the CCG's Boat Operator Card?
> > > > >They to claim to want to improve water safety by forcing people to
> take
> > a
> > > > >course and then pass a written exam.
> > > > >
> > > > >I was at the boat show two weeks back and there was an outfit there
> > that
> > > was
> > > > >promoting themselves by telling people to try the exam and if you
did
> > not
> > > > >pass, you did not pay. It was $40.00 if you passed.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm sure you can see what's going on here.
> > > > >
> > > > >I saw young children, and others, passing this test and I know for
a
> > fact
> > > > >they did not pass.
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course they are going to pass everyone... at $40.00 a head, how
> can
> > > they
> > > > >not... this is easy money. What a racket!
> > > > >It does not seem to be regulated at all.
> > > > >
> > > > >By the way.. I passed. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >SC/*
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