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Of course, we all know how good drivers are after taking their drivers
(road) license.  Come on, Bret.  The boaters card ensures that people at
least have some idea as to the rules of the waterways and some information
on boating safety.  I think that is a lot better than no knowledge at all.

"Bret Johnston" <bretj@island.net> wrote in message
news:a6pccv02b2l@enews1.newsguy.com...
> Stupid ill thought out legislation is exactly what it is.  The operator
card
> does not test a boater at the helm unlike a drivers road test that says ok
> ya read the book now lets drive the car and prove you know your stuff.
> Until you test at the helm you really don't know that the operator
> understands that the pointy end in most case goes first.  What this in
> reality is a government bureacrates knee jerk reaction to a climbing
> accident statistic of PWC accidents and in typical Ottawa puzzle palace
> style paints with a broad brush to protect their collective asses...
>
> Bret
>
>
> "Charles T. Low" <ctlow@boatdocking.com> wrote in message
> news:2knj8.335$8X4.89878558@news.ripnet.com...
> > Bret,
> >
> > You make a few common but serious logical errors (IMHO).
> >
> > 1/ "the common sence equation. Ya just can't teach that... " I strongly
> > disagree (see below).
> >
> > 2/ You yourself claim to be a careful, responsible boater (and firearms
> > user), with or without regulation, so therefore regulation is not
> required.
> > But your conclusion does not follow from your (self-)observation.
> >
> > 3/ "The Boat Operator Card does not a competent boat operator make..."
You
> > make it sound like an all-or-nothing proposition. You know that it's
not.
> > The question should be, does licencing raise the overall level of safety
> in
> > the population, sufficient to justify the time, expense and energy?
> >
> > My sense is that the world is divided into three categories. One does
not
> > need instruction, one will not heed instruction, but the third we can
lead
> > to instruction. I think that the latter category that comprises the
> > majority. I suspect that a lot of people learn a lot of things from
> > mandatory training, although of course they don't become experts from
one
> > introductory course. That's not the point. They bump their level of
> > knowledge and skill up a notch or two, and often come away with the
> > realization of how much they don't know that didn't used to know they
> didn't
> > know. That could be an important safety feature all in itself.
> >
> > I don't have data for this, but apparently there _is_ good data for car
> > drivers' licences, for example - training helps, even when mandated.
(Not
> > everybody, not all the time - does not in any way negate the stats).
> >
> > I think that what many anti-regulators really mean is that they find
> > regulation inconvenient, and that if only everybody else were like them
it
> > would be unnecessary. But i) it's inconvenient - we all simply have to
get
> > over it - and ii) everybody else isn't like you - we all have to accept
> > that. By your description, you're in category 1 - a minority. We don't
> > design systems for the minority. It's always nice if regulators
> accommodate
> > such a minority by allowing it to write the exam without taking the
> course -
> > as one can for the Boat Operator's Card!
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >   ====
> >
> > Charles T. Low
> > ctlow@boatdocking.com
> > www.boatdocking.com/
> > www.ctlow.ca/
> >
> >   ====
> >
> > "Bret Johnston" <bretj@island.net> wrote in message
> > news:a6kaf90251a@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > > Ah yes the common sence equation. Ya just can't teach that... It's
> almost
> > > like the Fire Arms regulations, I have a FAC, I took the course and as
> > > before the course I'm still just as carefull as I always was (and for
> the
> > > snippers that's damn carefull, including 28 years military experiance
> with
> > > the odd firearm).  They regulate the shit out of me but that still
> doesn't
> > > stop the illegal sale of restricted weapons and the nut cases, but
what
> > the
> > > hell I'm regulated.
> > >
> > > The Boat Operator Card does not a competent boat operator make.  That
> > comes
> > > with common sense and experiance, even the bureocrates in the ivory
> towers
> > > should be able to understand that one.  I carry a compass, a GPS, a
VHF,
> a
> > > sounder, an auxillary moter, flares, fire extinguisher etc. etc. etc.
> not
> > > because I'm regulated because it's stupid not to.  I don't go out in
bad
> > > weather, I come in if the weather is worsening, I keep my boat well
> > serviced
> > > and have a spare everything.
> > >
> > > This is like the fire arms thing, one nut case goes into a college and
> > kills
> > > a bunch of women, yes indeed an awfull thing but now I'm regulated to
> > death.
> > > Somebody invents the Personnel Water Craft places the village idot at
> the
> > > controls and once again I get regulated.
> > >
> > > End Rant
> > >
> > > Bret
> > >
> > >
> > > "AK" <adam.kennedy@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c8baaee.1612988919@66.185.95.104...
> > > > I understand what you are saying - but why would a seasoned mariner
> > > > take a full day course when he could likely teach it?
> > > >
> > > > I challenged the test at the boat show and passed. Did the same
thing
> > > > for the Firearms Aquisition Certificate a few years back.
> > > >
> > > > Sure -  a lot of it is common sense -  then again a lot of accidents
> > > > could be avoided if people excercised that.
> > > >
> > > > AK.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:03:06 GMT, "Stinky_Cat" <me@here.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >X-No-archive: Yes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >What's the deal with the CCG's Boat Operator Card?
> > > > >They to claim to want to improve water safety by forcing people to
> take
> > a
> > > > >course and then pass a written exam.
> > > > >
> > > > >I was at the boat show two weeks back and there was an outfit there
> > that
> > > was
> > > > >promoting themselves by telling people to try the exam and if you
did
> > not
> > > > >pass, you did not pay. It was $40.00 if you passed.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm sure you can see what's going on here.
> > > > >
> > > > >I saw young children, and others, passing this test and I know for
a
> > fact
> > > > >they did not pass.
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course they are going to pass everyone... at $40.00 a head, how
> can
> > > they
> > > > >not... this is easy money. What a racket!
> > > > >It does not seem to be regulated at all.
> > > > >
> > > > >By the way.. I passed. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >SC/*
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