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On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Nicolas Martin wrote:

>  Carol  Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

> > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Nicolas Martin wrote:

> > > Carol, have any unfortunates ever received any care from you? And, no, 
> > > I don't mean an automatic monthly donation to Working Assets.

> > Should I have a war chest the size of M.Teresa's I would be sure to treat
> > those under my care better than she did.

> > They would receive the same care which I would expect to get for myself.

> > How would you treat them?

> Having been given the opportunity to directly answer my question, you 
> evaded. 

I did not evade your question.  I answered it.  I would give them the same
care I expected to get myself.  Mother Teresa went off to safe clean
hospitals when she needed treatment.  Someplace she could get the best,
modern care.  Conversely, her patients were not given the same care she
expected and got for herself.  When her patients were in pain they were
told it was because they were being kissed by Jesus and they were expected
to endure the pain, rather than being given medication to alleviate it.

> Your answer was not only unresponsive, it revealed you to be an 
> unmitigated hypocrite. You criticize the woman and her "warchest," but 
> you offer the poor and infirmed nothing. 

This is an unsubstantiated claim.  Furthermore, you grill me about what I
do and then state the following: 

> How I treat people is my private affair. I do what i consider worthy and
> appropriate . . .

How do you dare to grill others and then make such a statement yourself?

> Not a single impoverished, 
> sick, or injured person has gained comfort or care at your hands. 

Evidence?

> You  have no "warchest," perhaps, but do you having nothing to offer? Could 
> you not better devote the time you spend sniping on the Internet to 
> helping the needy? Do you have no money at all that can help a single 
> person eat or buy medicine? Have you no time or capacity to visit a 
> hospital, hospice, clinic, to say a kind word or lend a hand? No, your 
> role in life is to be a harpie, a nihilist, a perpetual critic, a 
> spokesperson for people with whom you would never associate. Why don't 
> you consider turning your theories about how people should be treated 
> into something you actually practice instead of a bumper sticker slogan.

Eivdence for this rant?

> How I treat people is my private affair. I do what i consider worthy and 
> appropriate, and, despite the fact that I'm an atheist, I don't hurl 
> bricks at this Catholic woman who did some good deeds and probably had 
> some imperfections. Whatever her failures, she clearly accomplished more 
> than you are destined to do. I'd love to have you tell my Guatemalan 
> indian friends that they should get the same care you "would expect for 
> myself." The poor don't subsist on your rhetoric, they need substance. 
> Your arrogance is no substitute for effort. Try it.

> Nicolas Martin

You yourself exhibit ultimate arrogance by the unsubstantiated claims made
in the post.

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." 
                           -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard, 1758
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