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In article 
<Pine.OSF.3.96.1001109041648.13011E-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>, Carol 
Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Nicolas Martin wrote:
> 
> >  Carol  Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> 
> > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Nicolas Martin wrote:
> 
> > > > Carol, have any unfortunates ever received any care from you? And, 
> > > > no, 
> > > > I don't mean an automatic monthly donation to Working Assets.
> 
> > > Should I have a war chest the size of M.Teresa's I would be sure to 
> > > treat
> > > those under my care better than she did.
> 
> > > They would receive the same care which I would expect to get for 
> > > myself.
> 
> > > How would you treat them?
> 
> > Having been given the opportunity to directly answer my question, you 
> > evaded. 
> 
> I did not evade your question.  I answered it.  I would give them the 
> same
> care I expected to get myself.  Mother Teresa went off to safe clean
> hospitals when she needed treatment.  Someplace she could get the best,
> modern care.  Conversely, her patients were not given the same care she
> expected and got for herself.  When her patients were in pain they were
> told it was because they were being kissed by Jesus and they were 
> expected
> to endure the pain, rather than being given medication to alleviate it.
> 
> > Your answer was not only unresponsive, it revealed you to be an 
> > unmitigated hypocrite. You criticize the woman and her "warchest," but 
> > you offer the poor and infirmed nothing. 
> 
> This is an unsubstantiated claim.  Furthermore, you grill me about what I
> do and then state the following: 
> 
> > How I treat people is my private affair. I do what i consider worthy 
> > and
> > appropriate . . .
> 
> How do you dare to grill others and then make such a statement yourself?
> 
> > Not a single impoverished, 
> > sick, or injured person has gained comfort or care at your hands. 
> 
> Evidence?
> 
> > You  have no "warchest," perhaps, but do you having nothing to offer? 
> > Could 
> > you not better devote the time you spend sniping on the Internet to 
> > helping the needy? Do you have no money at all that can help a single 
> > person eat or buy medicine? Have you no time or capacity to visit a 
> > hospital, hospice, clinic, to say a kind word or lend a hand? No, your 
> > role in life is to be a harpie, a nihilist, a perpetual critic, a 
> > spokesperson for people with whom you would never associate. Why don't 
> > you consider turning your theories about how people should be treated 
> > into something you actually practice instead of a bumper sticker 
> > slogan.
> 
> Eivdence for this rant?
> 
> > How I treat people is my private affair. I do what i consider worthy 
> > and 
> > appropriate, and, despite the fact that I'm an atheist, I don't hurl 
> > bricks at this Catholic woman who did some good deeds and probably had 
> > some imperfections. Whatever her failures, she clearly accomplished 
> > more 
> > than you are destined to do. I'd love to have you tell my Guatemalan 
> > indian friends that they should get the same care you "would expect for 
> > myself." The poor don't subsist on your rhetoric, they need substance. 
> > Your arrogance is no substitute for effort. Try it.
> 
> > Nicolas Martin
> 
> You yourself exhibit ultimate arrogance by the unsubstantiated claims 
> made
> in the post.
> 
> "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." 
>                            -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard, 1758
> ><{{{(+>
>    L L  
> 
> 

You see, Carol, I am able to claim privacy because I am not attacking 
the humanitarian motives of Mother Teresa. Since you are, it is your 
obligation to demonstrate that your motives and actions are superior to 
hers. Im sure you understand this parallel: if Newt Gingrich criticizes 
the sexual behavior of Bill Clinton, then his own life should be without 
comparable defects (which it was not). It is known as not throwing 
stones if you live in a glass house.

You have said all that need be said. That you WOULD treat unfortunates 
better than Teresa did if only you could drag yourself away from the 
computer. But that is your fantasy, unsupported by any actions that you 
take. Your tacit (but evasive) admission is that you actually offer no 
help at all. Your is the role of the armchair humanitarian. The idea 
that that qualifies you to criticize Teresa is laughable. She got good 
medical care because she could. You get good medical care because you 
can. The difference is that she ALSO helped others to the extent it was 
possible, and you are helping nobody.

Again, what prevents you from doing volunteer work for the sick and the 
poor. Have you no time even to visit the kids in a cancer ward once a 
month?

Try this Ben Franklin quote: "Well done is better than well said." It 
applies rather nicely to the armchair humanitarian like youself.