Article View: pdx.general
Article #1852Re: Measure 48 could give Oregon the nation's fastest economic growth
From: Spread Eagle®
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:14
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:14
63 lines
4450 bytes
4450 bytes
Don Homuth wrote: > >Or, to ask the same question in yet another way, are you, a supposed > >multicultural progressive, actually in fact a racist elitist who > >believes that Americans are just somehow naturally superior to people > >in the third world simply by virtue of being an American, and for no > >other reason than that they are therefore automatically entitled to be > >paid 10 times what those other people of other races are paid in the > >third world for doing the same work? > > What a Fascinating philosophical question, which attempts not to deal > with the initial one as asked. Oh come on. It's exactly the question and exactly the issue. You just don't like what it says about your worldview, so you pretend otherwise. > Skilled workers' jobs are now being outsourced elsewhere as well, with > the Only difference being the wage scale. Yes, it is increasingly a global economy. I already said that. And that ship has already sailed. > You may not be subject to that, you old Economic Elitist you, but you > soon could be. Maybe. But the key is to be flexible, embrace change as a good thing, and constantly adapt to stay ahead of the curve. > > America already has abundant natural advantages, like freedom, > >and opportunities for training and education, that allow people to > >position themselves so that they can rise above grunt labor, and so > >they shouldn't have to have their wage rates artifically propped up. > >If they haven't pursued and taken advantage of those ubiquitous > >opportunities, that's on them. It's a global economy, baby. And more > >and more so every day. > This isn't about factory workers any more. It's about technical > workers and programmers and accountants and all manner of other > erstwhile Highly Skilled Jobs now flowing elsewhere Only because of > wage scales. You're the one who brought up their competitive advantage over us is, their endless supply of cheap labor. And by exploiting that, and exploiting the fact that we vastly overpay our labor doing the same work, yes, the rest of world is catching up with us. And it is increasingly a global economy. We cannot prop our wages up much longer. That will be our undoing. As I said, the freedoms and opportunities here are our advantages. We need to bring them to bear. > All that huffing and puffing still doesn't close with the questions. > > Should Murken Workers live on third world lifestyles? Should has nothing to do with it. As long as we pass laws propping up fat lazy union workers and creating unrealistic minimum wages they will catch us, they will pass us.
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<1156367663.172654.33870@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com!not-for-mailReferences:
<2780-44EC701C-131@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> <16277-44EC7F8B-77@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <b91pe2hgpb0p5c2i7vb9nroddipfo9oml8@4ax.com> <1156360296.861475.235880@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <3ecpe2lfffvd9117s1ldvsmlnm355d7tuf@4ax.com> <1156364738.350818.327560@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <81fpe21ii5o3dot0q5cta8fnob50bmifb5@4ax.com>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 1128d6,a8e67995edb32d17 X-Google-Thread: 111a85,a8e67995edb32d17 X-Google-Thread: 1141a2,a8e67995edb32d17 X-Google-Thread: 1026d8,a8e67995edb32d17 X-Google-Attributes: gid1128d6,gid111a85,gid1141a2,gid1026d8,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Spread Eagle®" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> Newsgroups: pdx.general,or.politics,alt.politics,co.politics Subject: Re: Measure 48 could give Oregon the nation's fastest economic growth Date: 23 Aug 2006 14:14:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 64 Message-ID: <1156367663.172654.33870@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <2780-44EC701C-131@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> <16277-44EC7F8B-77@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <b91pe2hgpb0p5c2i7vb9nroddipfo9oml8@4ax.com> <1156360296.861475.235880@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <3ecpe2lfffvd9117s1ldvsmlnm355d7tuf@4ax.com> <1156364738.350818.327560@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <81fpe21ii5o3dot0q5cta8fnob50bmifb5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.164.105.62 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1156367668 11852 127.0.0.1 (23 Aug 2006 21:14:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:14:28 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <81fpe21ii5o3dot0q5cta8fnob50bmifb5@4ax.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.164.105.62; posting-account=O4F2iQwAAACmIT2FZc8pABqjPES4sjqO