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Ok man!! I'm a woman and let me tell you something about us, we don't play
the game MEN do!!!! I've had many dates in the last few months and EVERY
single man I went out with was after ONE thing and when they found out I
was NOT easy I never heard from them again!!! Now I ask you WHO plays
games!!!! MEN!! I'm not man bashing, just telling the truth!!!

In article <44mkst$fjh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, marajsky@aol.com (MaraJsky)
wrote:

> Ok man!! I'm a woman and let me tell you something about us, we don't play
> the game MEN do!!!! I've had many dates in the last few months and EVERY
> single man I went out with was after ONE thing and when they found out I
> was NOT easy I never heard from them again!!! Now I ask you WHO plays
> games!!!! MEN!! I'm not man bashing, just telling the truth!!!

The simple fact is that all genders play "games" with other genders. Each
gender does not call what it does a game, of course, only the other
genders do that. Lack of communication and understanding at all levels
gives rise to much of the hassle.

So you are *both* right. And you are *both* wrong. And you are *both*
correct in complaining.

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The correct answer is "yes, so whats your point!"

Everyone plays head games if you use a wide enough definition of a head 
game.  Every time you modify your behavour so someone will like you arent 
you hiding your true nature?  Isnt that a dishonesty that could be called 
by someone a head game?  If you find the right partner you will not see 
what they do as a head game.  When its the wrong person it will look like 
a head game.  What you see depends to a great deal on how you look at things.

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They all wanted just one thing?  Really?  Don't any of the guys go
after that other thing?  Gee... as for me, I like all of the naughty
parts :)

  -- Robert

marajsky@aol.com (MaraJsky) articulated:

>Ok man!! I'm a woman and let me tell you something about us, we don't play
>the game MEN do!!!! I've had many dates in the last few months and EVERY
>single man I went out with was after ONE thing and when they found out I
>was NOT easy I never heard from them again!!! Now I ask you WHO plays
>games!!!! MEN!! I'm not man bashing, just telling the truth!!!

In article <44mkst$fjh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, marajsky@aol.com (MaraJsky)
wrote:

> Ok man!! I'm a woman and let me tell you something about us, we don't play
> the game MEN do!!!! I've had many dates in the last few months and EVERY
> single man I went out with was after ONE thing and when they found out I
> was NOT easy I never heard from them again!!! Now I ask you WHO plays
> games!!!! MEN!! I'm not man bashing, just telling the truth!!!

And wearing out that exclamation point key as well.. <grin>

The fact is that some people (M & F) enjoy playing games with 
people's minds. But a lot of the time, it's not a game at all,
it's just a lack of communication. 98.999% of problems in 
any relationship are caused by a lack of communication. 

One other thing to mention is your choice in dates. Mind you, I
don't know you at all, but if EVERY person you've gone out with
in the last few months was just looking to get you into bed,
then if I were you, I'd be seriously evaluating how I went out
looking for dates, it sounds like something's wrong somewhere.

Anyway, look on the bright side, if all these guys were just
looking to get you to sleep with them, and, when you told them
otherwise, you never heard from them again.. Good! :)

Robbie

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Robbie wrote:

>>>>
One other thing to mention is your choice in dates. Mind you, I don't know you at all, but if 
EVERY person you've gone out with in the last few months was just looking to get you into bed, 
then if I were you, I'd be seriously evaluating how I went out looking for dates, it sounds like 
something's wrong somewhere.
<<<<

I second that.  There is something wrong with your own persona if this is a major focus of your 
relationships.  Yes, sex can really be good, but only in balance with the rest of a relationship. 
 Sure, it can even be a *big part* of a relationship, but the love/caring/communicating part 
better be *a really big part* to equal.

In life, timing is everything, and if the "time isn't right," you just end of feeling more empty 
and alone.  Yes, you may have to learn this "pain" for yourself, but don't repeat the lesson!

  Stephen Gutknecht

In article <44k4p2$ft8@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Mr_J@match.com wrote:
>It doesn't matter much where you live, although I'd like to meet a
>Florida woman, because I am buying a house there in January.

Hence, your post in ba.singles.  Thats, SF _B_ay _A_rea singles.
Good move.  Success is certain, I'm sure.

>I am a complex person who like a simple life: watching TV late at
>night; taking frequent road trips for fun and adventure; spending
>Saturday mornings making love.

Yes, well, the facet of your personallity that learned about usenet
needs to surface.  You're blowing chunks into the wrong newsgroup.

>Please write

him EMAIL!  Ads, and responses, belong in ba.personals.







Rich Bland
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 jurisdiction of the admiralty are our greatest grievance.
 The American Courts of Admiralty seem to be forming by degrees
 into a system that is to overturn our Constitution and to
 deprive us of our best inheritance, the laws of the land.
 It would be thought in England a dangerous innovation if the
 trial, of any matter on land was given to the admiralty."

 Jackson v. Magnolia, 20 How. 296 315, 342 (U.S. 1852)

In Cyberspace, the First Amendment is a local ordinance.

At times I wonder too...   being a profesional male who has not played any game for 
the last so many years have been single for quite some time.  While all my 
aquantances are getting out of that single syndrome I am trapped in this bottomless 
pit.   May be in a decade I would have learnt the sad way that it does pay to play 
with the opposite sex from time to time.

myway@ix.netcom.com (BAYCITIES GROUP ) writes:

>OOOOPS!  This argument has been going around since dating began...
>    the answers sometimes lay before you and you just refuse to get up
>    and smell the essentials of the problem...women go out with a man
>    under expectations which he must live up to prior to her being any
>    kind of woman for him.  This is inherently true.  Women make men up
>    to be "what i want him to be like" when with me.  Self-protection
>    motive, I guess.

There are no two individuals alike, making it difficult to
generalize about behavior. Communicate yourself and you won't
be feeling unspoken expectations. It's perfectly alright to 
accept invitations of time shared, or dinner out, or whatever
as long as the two people understand up front what the strings
are, if any. But don't expect anything simply because of money
expended, by either side. 
Lay your cards on the table, if your gifts have conditions.

>    But us men get this from most women...we are expected to perform
>    for them...and the better we perform the better score we get and
>    all this to happen on a date...which we are responsible for from
>    minute one to minutes past reality.

>    why not change the expectation-trip a bit?  why not be a person
>    first and show the man you are able to enjoy yourself just by being
>    who you are with him or without?  in other words, share the costs
>    of going out.  take responsibility for your fun.take responsibility
jo>    for what enjoyment you have going to a particular place with a man
>    who is a person to.  

>    You pay your way and he pays his.  How many dates go on to number 
>    two?  Just not there.  Accepting responsibility for your fun means

Your blanketing the whole world based on narrow experience. And your
wrong on top of it.

>    just that: pay for what you enjoy.  let him pay for his enjoyment
>    as he has been paying for yours too: with expectations attached.
>    Take away the expectation he has from this procedure and you will
>    no longer have this attitude that all men want your bones and will
>    jump you when they will because they paid for you by taking you out
>    and shelling out funds to purchase that expected move as the date
>    gets to be over.

I suggest you let all your  companions know your outlines up front.
As I would suggest with anyone. No one owns another, body or soul,
no matter what price they've paid. Generosity and gift giving does
occur out of love of heart, without payback implicated. So whatever
you are or want, communicate. Speak your lanquage.

>    It's sort of a package offer.  Men pay for your time with them and 
>    expect their reward.  It's a unit kind of thing: it comes with the
>    price of the tickets they pay...like taking a ride on the train and
>    the goodies reside in the caboose...that is where they are heading
>    for when you begin...it's the expected destination.

Maybe for you it is. 
>    So become a responsible person and allow him the pleasure of your
>    company with no need to "pay" for your time.  Share the cost of
>    the time together.  If you don't like him, then you are free to 
>    go on another train when you desire to switch. You can even meet
>    another man on the same train and go with him on his...there is
>    nothing which holds you to any one date...if you so choose not
>    to continue. 

>    Quit the excuse all women use.  You set this up and you get what
>    you get: a man who wants the full use of the body he rents for 
>    the night...hey, that is reality.  

That's your reality. Its a wonder you've found anyone to relate to.
Do you keep score with every relationship in your life? 
>    Quit being redundant and awaken to the fact that you create your
>    own disappointment because of your expectations too: you expect him
>    to do....(fill in) 

Expectations are the source of much agony. Practice love that has
no expectation. Non-conditional.
>    summation: you go out with a friend and you share costs.  With a
>new man you assume he wants more than you are able or willing to go
>into with him..but you make him pay for your time...you take this out
>    of the equation and that changes...he knows you are able to quit
>    this date anytime...it's your time and your money and your choosing
>    to go on from any moment with him.  He's aware that you are on your
>    own...you are aware he is not expecting more than you are willing 
>    to share with him... if you don't get along, fine.  

$ is not the determining factor of content.
No one has rights over another.
Your solution is simplistic. Communication works better.

posted for a female friend.....

>    Each of you spent time with each other for your own reasons by
>    paying costs which helps the other allay the anxieties brought by 
>    both sexes to the date you shared.  Take your want to be with a man
>    and understand his want to be with a woman...and each of you change
>    the expectations which exist...pay for your participation as you
>    would with anyone else other than a date.  

>    Get rid of the past by improving the present: change your outlook
>    and you help him see you as a person who he may like for herself
>    or may not.  He may not be able to appreciate you if you come to
>    him as an equal.  Or vica versa...  

>    Create a bridge for him to cross that you will cross with him.
>    Quit putting up toll booths for him to assess and be charged for.
>    
>    GROW UP!


>    BILL

In article <44mkst$fjh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> marajsky@aol.com (MaraJsky) writes:
>Ok man!! I'm a woman and let me tell you something about us, we don't play
>the game MEN do!!!! I've had many dates in the last few months and EVERY
>single man I went out with was after ONE thing and when they found out I
>was NOT easy I never heard from them again!!! Now I ask you WHO plays
>games!!!! MEN!! I'm not man bashing, just telling the truth!!!

What were they interested in?


-Marty
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mktentry@wco.com wrote:
>In <44mkst$fjh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, marajsky@aol.com (MaraJsky) writes:
>Hey, I'm a woman and I only want one thing too. Guys with two things really
>bug me. Seriously, there are women who really enjoy sex....not necessarily on the.....


Guys with two things really bug you????  

That's Good!

No harm intended, I think your play on words was kinda fun, and had a 
good laugh.

Thanks, 

Kevin