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Carol Ann Hemingway wrote:

> In <343BD1C1.BE6D6213@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM> Alan Davis
> <adavis@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM> writes:
> >Carol Ann Hemingway wrote:
> >> In <61eodj$g8m$1@Mars.mcs.net> karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) writes:
> >> >>>>
> >> >(edit)
> >
> >>             --------
> >>         The use of Jesus Christ to draw a crowd isn't a new tactic.
> >>         Of course, more ministers will be getting involved in this
> >>         conversation, especially minsters who have been preaching
> >>         to egalitarian couples and their families.  Yes, I agree
> >>         with you that this movement is more political than
> >>         religious.
> >>             --------------------
> >This is  an agreement of the uninformed who think they know more than
> the>people who make their own statements of
> >their objectives.  Lefty refuses to talk to a
> >PKer, or his wife, or their kids-where the
> >measure of any benefit or detriment has
> >meaning.  It has no meaning, Lefty, in this
> >fantasy world of yours where you perform
> >character assassination of people whom
> >you've never met nor even spoken to.
>
>             -----------
>             I have not sullied the "character" of anyone.  Surely
>             you're not refering to my refusal to speak (which is my
>             right) to a person who claims her authority is thru her
>             husband?

Nope, only that your refusal speaks to your

choice to remain ignorant.  You did once post something
to the effect "I guess you would have to check with
the wives."

>               I would have no business speaking about PK
>             to a person who didn't have the authority to talk about
>             it.  Isn't it better to go to the source rather than
>             get information second hand?  After all, those who aren't
>             Promise Keepers really don't have the right to speak for
>             those who are.
>             -------------------

Pkers have disagreed with you ad nauseum,

you post fantasies about what you *think*
they are doing, rather than what they *say*
and *do*.

> >> >>I see a>>bunch of men who mean well, but are not going about it in
> >> the right way.
> >>             --------------
> >>             What makes you think they "mean well"; perhaps most of
> >>             these men are simply dissatisfied with their role in
> >>             life.  Perhaps they long for the kinds of adulation
> >>             their fathers had ....as soldiers, as patriarchs.
> >>             ---------------------------
> >>
> >Your honor!  I object! Calls for speculation!
> >(as do all your posts on this subject, Left)
>
> In your opinion.

You've posted no facts, only your guesses.

> >> >>They are leaving too many people out by depending on Christianity
> as> their>>source.
> >>
> >>             -----------
> >>             That's true.  My wise old grandmammy used to tell me;
> >>         "whenever all men get together, women are oppressed, because
> >>             then there's no one left to preside over".  :]
> >>             ---------------------
> >>
> >May I go out on a limb here,and guess that your grandmammy said
> >no such thing?  May I suggest as well that

> >the above is just a Leftyism based on

> >fear and sexism?  May I also suggest that

> >a bunch of men put together the Bill of Rights you hold dear?  May I
> also suggest that

> >your bigotry against 'all men' prevents you
> >from seeing the good in the world?
>
>             -----------
>             Indeed you may!  That's your right of free speech that
>             a marvelous group of men drafted in an effort to make
>             sure that INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS (rather than family rights)
>             were maintained, and to create a separation between
>             church and state (rather than having one sect rule, as
>             had happened in England).

Separation of church and state appears nowhere in

the Constitution.  It first appeared in a letter from Thomas
Jefferson to a New England Episcopal bishop.  The Supreme
Court talks about the 'establishment' clause, not the 'separation'
clause.

>                So, you see, wonderful men
>             do indeed exist.  In fact, my number one chosen role
>             model is a dead black wonderful man....Thurgood Marshall.
>             ------------------------------

Good for you.  Mine is Mother Theresa.

> >Pity.
>             ---------
>             There's no need to pity me;  I'm quite content, and
>             joyful in my approach to life.
>             -------------

I'm glad for that.  The pity is your outlook

is confrontational, rather than cooperative.

> >> >(edit)



> >The only reason I care about what you
> >think about other people's problems, is
> >that your such a prolific poster of
> >putrid perjurous propaganda, which must be
> >shown the light of day.
>
>             -----------
>                 Gee, I would have thought a Christian would have
>                 been more concerned about my soul burning in hell.
>                 Well, at least you're now being honest.

Hopefully, I won't ever be dishonest.

>                  What happened
>                 to all that pity you had, just a paragraph ago.  Easy
>                 come....easy go.

Like the wind, indeed.

> > You are also forgetting that there is
> >no such thing as 'full memberships' in PK;
> >no rights, no privileges, only promises
> >and duties that amazingly try to correct
> >the problematic male behavior feminists
> >have labeled them with for years.  Lefty's
> >trouble is, this correction is not done on
> >*HER* terms, i.e. in court.
>
>                 ------------
>                 There's no need to go to court for this one.  The
>                 PK message is being heard loud and clear, and just
>                 for what it is.....the last death rattle of patriarchy
>                 clutching and grasping for air.  As for problematic
>                 male behavior, I haven't personally witnessed any...
>                 there's not one man in my life I have any need to
>                 change;  they're just great the way they are;  of
>                 course, none of them have any desire for me to
>                 submit; after all, they are my friends.
>             ------------------------

'This one' being the correction of men's sexistbehavior; a position on
which most feminists
and PK take a stand.  PK-through loving
correction, feminists, through fines and jail
terms.

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