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In article <61hb6j$oc2@xochi.tezcat.com>,
Daniel B. Holzman <holzman@xochi.tezcat.com> wrote:
>In article <61ha0a$a3$1@Mars.mcs.net>, Karl Denninger <karl@MCS.COM> wrote:
>>>Actually, no.  He submitted to the will of YHVH.  The Church was not
>>>consulted.
>>
>>Actually, he submitted to God the Father - Mark 14:36 "And he said "Abba,
>>Father, all things are possible for you.  Take this cup away from me;
>>nevertheless, not what I will, but what you will".
>
>My understanding of Christian theology is that YHVH is God the Father, so
>I'm not sure what your disagreement is.

The Church exists as a consequence of Christ (all of this ties into the 
Trinity thing; it ends up parsing in a somewhat-circular fashion.  I think
we're splitting hairs here, but let me try anyway :-)

>>As God is, under the Christian faith, believed to be the head of the church
>>and the reason it exists, Christ submitted to it.
>
>My reading of that Ephesians sentence we're discussing is that /Christ/
>is the Head of the Church.  I'll admit that alot of this comes down to a
>"tastes-great less-filling" type of distinction any time I try to parse
>it, but the explanation I've been given is "YHVH is God, Jesus is Lord."
>I'm unclear on the distinction, but it's been presented to me as a
>crucial one, so I'm gonna take their word for it.

From a Catholic perspective, you're talking about "the Trinity thing" :-)

The Catholic perspective is that you have one God, but three persons - YHVH
or "God the Father", Jesus Christ or "God the Son", and the Holy Spirit.

All of which are God, all of which are distinct, yet all of which are one
God. Under that viewpoint, Jesus Christ is both God and Man at the same 
time. That is, he is fully God, and also fully Man.

This is portreyed in the Catholic faith as one of those things which you
kind of understand, yet remains a mystery that will never quite get to the 
point where it parses to something which fully makes sense.

However, since Christ is the head of the Church, and Christ is fully God 
yet fully Man, by submitting to God in Mark 14:36 Christ was submitting to 
the Church :-)

(See, I told you it was a circular argument :-)

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