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On 7 Oct 1997, Karl Denninger wrote:

> The basis for the Gospel message you cite is in fact that women should be 
> subservient to their husbands.  The problem is that the feminists, including
> Patricia Ireland, close their Bibles and stop reading after that first
> sentence.
> 
> If they kept reading, they would find that the message is *ALSO* that 
> husbands should be subservient to their wives!  And, in fact, if you keep
> reading past the first sentence of the passage involved, you will find that 
> the message is that we should all be subservient both to each other and to 
> God.  I don't need to provide a specific chapter and verse here -- Patricia
> Ireland and the other NOW activists, if they are truly interested, can open
> their Bibles and read for themselves.

The problem is that the PKs also seem to have forgotten to read the second
part, or at least that Tony Evans didn't read it.

> You're asking the Promise Keepers here, as Patricia Ireland did, to make a
> specific promise to one group which establishes women as "special" and
> "protected", and further, you're basing it on an incomplete and inaccurate
> characterization of the message which Jesus was teaching.

Not special and protected, merely not being supressed.

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> I find it interesting that not a month ago I heard a sermon on this very
> subject in the local church here in Chicago -- the pastor giving the homily
> specifically referred to that passage as "the feminists nightmare", and in
> fact that passage was the Gospel reading of the day.
> 
> He read past the first sentence, of course, when he delivered the Gospel.
> 
> NOW should do the same.

NOW actually frequently point out the discrepancy in men who only live by
the first part.  

> The message of Jesus, if that is the path you choose to follow, isn't about
> sexism or racism.  It is not about creating protected classes of citizens
> with more rights than others (as NOW has repeatedly done through the last 
> 20 years).  It is not about special rights for ANY group of people.
> 
> It is about being subservient to *each other* and to God; that is, humility
> before and caring about one another, and, as you noted, aga'pe, a concept
> which went out of practice and understanding when it failed to be carried
> into the English language.

The problem is that some of the more right-wing leaning churches have
pushed for male control, anti-equality etc., which has scared many people
who are not as fundamentalist as they are.  My sense is that they would
rather live by the old testament than the new.

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Steen Goddik 
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