🚀 go-pugleaf

On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Alan Davis wrote:
> 
> Tracy Hornschuch wrote:
> 
> > Alan,
> >
> > I refuse to play this game with you.  You put down people that I care
> > about and love.  You call me a bigot, which I'm not!
> 
> I play no game, and put down no one.I didn't call you a bigot, I said, and I
> quote:
> 
> "take the evil someone did in the past and
> attribute it to all others in that persons group.
> This is a bigoted view."
> 
> Would you define bigotry differently?
> 
> > The fact is that it is YOU who cannot accept me, not the other way around.
> 
> I don't even know you, I onlycommented on the ideas you presented, which
> I believe are bigoted.

Right here is where you are calling me a bigot.

> > So back off of me.  If you want to have a debate with me you will refrain
> > from calling me names.
> 
> I'll be happy to back off.
> 
> Can you show me where I called you names?
> 
> I didn't.  It's easy enough to copy from my old post.

Well I don't have time.  Right now...

> > I don't mind debating history, and I don't mind
> > talking about why I feel and believe the way I do, but your constant name
> > calling is totally wrong.
> 
> constant?  It didn't happen even once.

Constantly bringing up bigot is.

> > Never had I had called the PKers any names.
> > All I have done was question them..
> 
> And all I did was question why youattribute the sins of one member of a group
> to a whole group.

No you didn't.  We were arguing about history.

I do not hold any group responsibile for a commit or action of an
individual.  I don't think or believe all PKers are like the one I seen on
TV the other night.  I don't think all men are like my ex husband.  I know
better.  I know some very descent men, and descent Christian men.

> > Why is that so bad?
> 
> Agreed!

Good we agree on something... I think we're actually getting somewhere.

> > Could it be because I'm a single mother of three boys
> 
> I don't follow your logic here.

I get blasted a lot by men.  Mainly because I have custody of my three
boys, and receive child-support for one of them.  I find myself defending
myself daily from these men, and one woman.  And most men will just blast
me for that reason, and it won't matter what I'm trying to say or get
across.

> Can't say as I do, I don't call people names.I might comment on ideas, and
> their merit,
> but I don't call people names.  If you feel
> I have, I apologize.

Applogy accepted but let's keep that word bigot out of any future
correspondence.  I find it highly offensive.

> > I do go to church.  Not every Sunday, but I do go.  Most know how I feel,
> > but most are still happy that I just show up.  Most will not try to
> > convert me, 'cause they respect my views.  Not you!
> 
> I never commented on your religion.

My religion is my views.

> > Oh, and one more thing... I really feel pitty for you... Why?  'Cause most
> > and I do mean MOST Christians that I have met within the last 8-10 years
> > will agree and admit the truth in history, and feel bad about it.  And
> > most of them are trying to change things.  Obviously that doesn't include
> > you.
> 
> Changing things and helping the needyis an area in which we agree.  However,
> I don't feel guilt for something someone did
> in the past which has no relationship to me.

But it does.  Cause you are the here and now.  Only we as society can
change things.  Changes must be made in order to have a peacfull living.
And in order to change, we first must understand what went wrong so that
we do not repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

I used to believe that past had nothing to do with me.  Why should I feel
quilt?  All those things, just like you.  But it didn't help in trying to
feel compassion.  You must have compassion, and to have that you must
understand why people feel the way they do.  How else can you learn?

Tracy


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