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yes let's talk about the Promise Keepers...

They say they don't and will not dominate women.  That isn't their
intent...  but after loosing it after watching the news from Portland, OR
Sunday  I would like to share with you what I think!

This *husband* comes home.  He claims that he doesn't dominate his wife.
She says "I just don't understand why people think that he doesn."  (gag
me with a fork)...

He says that "someone must drive the *bus* in the family, and that person
is me."  as he smiles and starts to laugh...

That is when I lost it.  Man I wish I would have know when they were going
to show up in the airport... I wouldn have been there.  Then I could have
lost it on TV!!!!  For everyone to hear.

I say to this man and any other out there that agrees... "Fuck you!  You
may believe that you should drive the bus!  But I'm the one who fixes it
when it breaks... I'm the one who helped build it."

It's a two-way street.  Not a one-way.

Also, PK leaves out other belief systems.  What about them?  What don't
tell me they believe that everyone should convert into Christianity?  I
don't think so.

Yes, if you want to believe and support the PK... keep one thing in mind.
with the divorse rate at 50%, do you really believe that these men
continue saying the same thing after their wives wants the house, the
kids, child-support, and allomony?  I don't think so!

No then they start singing a different tune.  Then they want their wives
to work and support themselves and the children *they* brought into the
world.

I say know youself.  Know your limitations and expectations.  Know your
partner, and their limitations and expectations.  Learn to accept people
for them and don't expect them to change.  Learn to meet people half way
and stop this extreme left and right society.

I say let them continue, but they better not come knocking on my door, or
anyother religious organization.  Because I'm too much of a free-spirit.
And I believe in everyone's rights, basically *human rights*.

Tracy


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On 7 Oct 1997, John Paulus wrote:

> Last Friday night on Nightline, Patricia Ireland (President of the National
> Organization of Women) challenged Steve Chavis (is he related to Benjamin
> Chavis?), spokesperson for Promise Keepers, to sign a document essentially
> promising not to dominate/hurt women & gays.
> 
> I'd like to see Promise Keepers take up that challenge.  They shouldn't bow
> down to a NOW agenda, but PK should biblically address those issues &
> concerned expressed.
> 
> The document should include how, although PK believes that homosexuality is
> wrong and against God's plan for sexuality, it is no worse than the sins
> which each PK struggles with himself.  
> In regards to women, they should express their belief in Ephesians 5:21-30,
> and how men must be like Jesus in terms of holiness, and that no authority
> can be expected without it.
> 
> A passage that should be meditated on is John 4, with Jesus and the
> Samaratan woman.  She was clearly abused by men. So what did Jesus do? He
> came to her humbly, and addressed the issues she presented:
> 
> John 4:19-22 (just after Jesus told her -without judgment - that she had 5
> husbands and was living with a 6th man):
> 
> "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. Our fathers
> worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must
> worship is in Jerusalem." 
> Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship
> the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 
> You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for
> salvation is from the Jews.
> 
> In the same way, PK'ers need to address issues presented by feminists, but
> ultimately point to the need of Jesus by all of us. 
> 
> Also, PK should offer to critics such as Ireland a document or statement
> which asks Critics to judge PK  by the standard set by Jesus Christ.  It is
> because of Jesus that each Promise Keeper is who he is. It is because of
> Jesus  that those hurt by men can become free from that pain.
> 
> Working on aga'pe love
> 
> --jp-
> 
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> j.p. paulus                               4625 N. Kenmore Avenue  #2
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