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In <3447CF3B.E5E714C9@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM> Alan Davis
<adavis@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM> writes: 
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>Daniel B. Holzman wrote:
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>> In article <3446E897.70081BCB@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM>,
>> Alan Davis  <adavis@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM> wrote:
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>> >> No, sorry, PK theory has the man submitting to god and the wife
>> >> submitting to her man.
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>> >You have bought into Lefty's myth.  PK has no such "theory."
>> >How long have you been studying PK?
>> >What are your references?
>> >I've offered quotes, references, and people
>> >to talk to to refute this.
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>> I need look no further than their own writings:
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>You need to look further into these writings.  Whatyou have presented
includes too>much "....">You present this "leadership" as a henious
>aspect of interpersonal relationships, which it>is not.  If leadership
is a poor thing, let's start at the>top and get  rid of the President,
Vice-President,>Speaker of the House, etc.

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            Leadership that is only male, precludes female leadership;
            how hard is it to understand that?  Last time I looked, it
            was still possible to have a female president/vice.  
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>Mr. Evans takes on male complacency, and incites
>them to *spiritual* leadership.  This is something you
>have no concept of, since you used those "........"s
>to take out parts you don't understand.

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            Leadership is a new code word for male supremacy?
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>> ". . . sit down with your wife and say something like this, "Honey,
I've> made a terrible mistake. .  . I gave up leading this family, and
I> forced you to take my place. Now I must reclaim that role.".
> . . I'm not suggesting you ask for your role back, I'm urging you to
>> take it back . . . there can be no compromise here. If you're going
to> lead, you must lead . . . Treat the lady gently and lovingly. But
lead!"

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>>          -- Tony Evans, co-editor of Seven Promises
>> of a Promise Keeper in "Spiritual Purity" chapter of
>> Seven Promises of a Promise Keeper, p. 79-80.
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>> ". . . I believe that feminists of the more aggressive persuasion
are>> frustrated women unable to find the proper male leadership. If a
woman>> were receiving the right kind of love and attention and
leadership, she>> would not want to be liberated from that."
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>>          -- Tony Evans
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>His opinion.

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            Yes, the opinion of ONE PKer....only one.  :]  That
            is what started the wearing of veils in Iran, and the
            methods used by Taliban.
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>Before you condemn it, read it.
>Who are these "more aggressive persuasion" feminists,
>note he didn't say *all* feminists.

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            Why would he have to?  The idea that rebellious women can
            be "cured" by a good fuck has been expressed since
            the dawn of time.  This is hardly anything NEW.  The
            only difference is that the fuck is spirtual rather
            than physical.
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>What do you have against love, attention, and leadership?
>I do not feel oppressed, myself, when I follow the leadership
>of our Boy Scout Troop Scoutmaster.  Nor do I feel
>oppressed when I follow my wife's leadership.  Are you for
>anarchy?

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            Is it the PK stance that you must follow your wife's
            spiritual leadership in the self-same way she must 
            follow yours, or are roles assigned.  (I already know
            the answer, but I'm not sure you're willing to admit
            it).  Equality is not anarchy.
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>> "Don't you understand mister, you are royalty and God has chosen you
to be>> the priest of your home?"
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>>          -- Tony Evans, co-editor of Seven Promises of a Promise
Keeper in
>> The Progressive, August 1996.
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>A priest is a servant.  What's your problem?

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            The priest gets the duty of service and all the RIGHTS
            that accompany the title.  Trying to portray it only
            as duty, is doing a disservice to those who want the
            REST OF THE STORY.

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>> "The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified
men who>> have been overly influenced by women."
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>>          -- Tony Evans, co-editor of Seven Promises
>> of a Promise Keeper in The Progressive, August 1996.
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>An opinion, it has some truth in it.

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            How is it possible to be "overlyinfluenced" by those
            who comprise over 1/2 of humanity.  Shouldn't that
            huge group have just over 1/2 of the "say" in how
            we conduct ourselves.
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>What are you afraid of here?
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>> There was also the op-ed in the CHicago /Trib/ a few weeks ago.  It
was>> written by a female minister who had a parishoner who became a
PKer.  He>> stopped coming to Church.  When she asked him about it, he
told her she>> was no longer his pastor, because the PKers had told him
that the proper>> order of things is "men lead, women follow."

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            YUP
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>That man made a mistake.Of the many men who went to DC,>you would not
have to search very long to find a sinner with an incomplete or
>false idea or philosophy.  Do you now>take this one mistaken fellow
and apply>it to millions?

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            In the same way that a few Muslims make women wear 
            veils, having nothing to do with the listed precepts
            of the religion, PK has their own agenda which includes
            the submission of women.  We don't buy what you're
            trying to sell, a white-wash of bigotry.

                Lefty
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