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On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 01:18:56 GMT, cnocbui@cygnus.uwa.edu.au* (Giles)
wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:41:12 +0100, Mike Glantz
><mike.glantz@grenoble.rxrc.xerox.com> wrote:
>
>>Giles wrote:
>>> They might be buying up MDs fast in Japan but sales are stagnant or
>>> falling elsewhere .  I have seen posts from people in the US who want
>>> to know where they can obtain blank disks because stores are not
>>> stocking them anymore due to low sales of the players and disks.
>>
>>I've seen those stories, too, but elsewhere, I've been seeing
>>reports that MD sales are on the rise, in spite of the possibly
>>short-sighted policies of some retailers. Where did you see recent
>>market data saying that sales were stagnant or falling?
>
>I have not seen any hard market sales stats for MD.  It is hearsay
>I have read in the Datheads mailing list and seen in the press.  I
>will admit the statement may have been a bit rash in that the
>situation may be changing - Mea Culpa.

Oh yea datheads is an unbias forum to hear Md info.Well let Me just
say that in a 2 block radius I can find md units and blanks at the
following stores---circuit city,best-buy,hi fi buys,service
merchandise,media play. Only one of these, hi fi buys, carries any dat
blanks and none have dat players. 

>
>It is most likely that no one will ever be able to quote you hard
>stats on MD sales as I doubt whether government statistical gatherers
>outside of Australia collect the information.  The manufacturers can
>not be trusted to be truthfull as they are not going to say that sales
>are falling as this would be the kiss of death for the format.

Well they certianly aren't going to keep putting money in a formtat
they know is dead look at dcc.

>Another souce of information - a bit more reliable - is that I
>personally have never seen or encountered anyone with an MD player be
>it walking down the street, on a bus or anywhere else.  Neither have I
>seen anyone else with a DAT deck for that matter but given the
>Australian price of these I am not surprised.

Well what you have just said he contradicts yourself and is a
worthless statement. 

>
>How did I form my opinion?   I went to a couple of shops in Tottenham
>court Rd in London three years ago and I used a pair of Sony MDR D77
>headphones to listen to the two media.  I am not into much loud heavy
>rock so I listened to quieter types of music that the stores had.  The
>MD was better than conventional cassete tape but to my ears was not as
>clean sounding as the DAT.  Because of the way the compression works I
>gather it has a harder time with quiter music as there is less you can
>discard without it being noticeable.

Well seeing it was 3 years ago and MD has jumped at least 2 gens.
since then I would say you are not qaulified to give an opinion on the
sound quality of current Md players.

>
>I have not heard any of the latest generation machines - why would I
>having already bought the DAT player? 

Um because you just might find you may like the Md better or enough to
justify buying it. You seem to have a closed mind on the matter to bad
for you.

 I am willing to give MD another
>go but to what point?  I am not going to buy one as I already have my
>DAT.  This is not because I have a closed mind it is just the
>financial practicalities of it all.   Technicly DAT will always be
>superior to MD unless, as I said previously, they use DVD technology,
>without compression or switch to using lossless compression.  

Wrong again by the 5 or 6 gen of md it will easily surpass both cd and
dat because of drastically improved techniques in the atrac chip
possibly implamenting mpeg II or mpeg III. MD started at about 85-90%
of cds sound quality and now by in the 4th gen most reviewers say it
is equal to cds.
 MD is one of the only formats that is so upgradeable without software
change.Like most who diss MD you are an unimformed participant in this
debate which nulifies any credibility you thought you had.

You can
>have as open mind as you like but how are you going to record 6-8
>hours off FM radio onto  MD?

Hell i use video tapes for that and am happy with it but im not going
to spout off how I know video sound is surperior to dat if I have not
heard any of the newest dat players and Im not saying it is this is
just an example. Hell i can take up to 8hrs on a vid tape use my
little little camcorder with heaphone jack as a portable unit and
while Im at it video tape something. This is an odd use of the
equipment but I found it out by trial and error and it works fine for
my purposes. 
Check out this web page for more info on MD-------
http://www.connact.com/~eaw/minidisc.html 

>
>Giles
>
>
>>> Why is MD better for home listening?  The format uses  compression
>>> that discards a large part of the original information that one
>>> supposedly can't hear.  Using Low-Fi headphones or speakers maybe but
>>> using good headphones I certainly can hear the difference.
>>
>>You seem to have formed an opinion based on early-generation machines
>>which, (and which you can confirm, if you're interested)
>>did not implement ATRAC very well. Are you willing to give MD another
>>chance, or is your mind closed on the subject?
>
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