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"Fella" <nosp@m.here> wrote in message
news:RbuBe.4729$MB7.1343@reader1.news.jippii.net
> Arny Krueger wrote:

>> Good question. People like Pinkerton and I tell people
that
>> CD players tend to sound very much alike.

> You impose your misconceptions upon people,

Fella, you make it sound like Pinkerton and I have some
supernatural control over readers. Reading our posts is a
free choice. Our posts  unlike yours Fella, are headed up
with our correct legal names. If people don't want to be
influenced by us, they have free control over their thoughts
and minds.

> you try to rob them of their freedom of choice and
preference,

Fella, how do we rob people of their freedom via Usenet?  It
appears that you are trying to rob us of our rights to free
speech by telling lies about us.

> you try to rob  them of their potential audio enjoyment.

Which audio enjoyment is that, Fella. Is it the enjoyment of
being duped into buying overpriced audio gear by nameless
aliases such as yourself who take advantage of the
untracable nature of Usenet to make elaborate claims about
expensive equipment that you show evidence of never having
even seen a proper picture of?

> It's almost criminal.

Quit hyperventillating, Fella or whatever your real legal
name is.

> There is almost a touch of evil
> in ferstlers cynicism of "everything sounds the same you
dumb
> tweakos" attitude, for instance.

Thanks Fella for showing that you can't distinguish between
what Ferstler actually says which is that some things sound
the same and what you make up for him to say, which is that
everything sound the same.


> What's more, you people seem to be going after the
high-end  industry.

So what is the High End industry, a sacred cow?

> You'd be happy if they all just buckled up and
> whithered away into bankruptcy.

If you haven't noticed Fella, most of us live in
more-or-less free competitive capitalist societies. Nobody
deserves a big chunk of people's cash just because they are
high end audio dealers or manufacturers.

> I don't want my kids to have
> to listen to music from wicked sounding metallic assembly
line
> crap gear produced with only cost-effectiveness in mind
and
> nothing else.

Fella, you make it sound like we put a freeze on your bank
accounts and are stopping you from wasting your money.

>> Therefore they
>> should make their CD player choices based other factors
that
>> are more important to them.

> Thus you mislead them.

What is misleading about suggesting to people that they
should base their choices on real differences that matter to
them?

>> Unfortunately we've got the technologically backward
>> nay-sayers like Fella, who want people to believe that
their
>> are mind-boggling audible differences between CD players,
>> amplifiers and everything else.

> I wouldn't go so far as to say "mind-boggling"

Perhaps, not with the rest of us watching.

>.. When or if a
> piece of equipment introduces mind-boggling huge
differences
> to the music, it is IMHO, somewhat "improper".

Now you're splitting hairs Fella. Look at the elaborate
overblown claims you made about that BAT integrated amp
whose basic properties you didn't even know until I pointed
them out to you a few days ago.

>It almost leads

>> They're the guys who are
>> peddling tests - in their case sighted,
non-level-matched,
>> non-time-synched listening tests.

> You are the one peddling tests.

That's just a lame come-back. Try something original next
time, Fella.

> I just merely say that the tests you meddle do not work,
since they kill off existing
> subtle differences, what with the setup and the actual act
of being subjected to
> them. I   just resist. I trust what I hear.

No Fella, you trust uncontrolled level differences,
auditions where the identical same music is not played over
both pieces of equipment, and equipment being in full sight;
so that your prejudices and biases can control your choices.

>> in their case people should buy
>> this amplifier and test it at home,

> You do not need to buy something to test it at home.

That may be true if you are your local hifi dealers favorite
sucker.

 >I never  said that people should constantly buy amps and
switch them
> around.

Well Fella you rant and rave against us for saying that is a
bad idea.

>You have trouble enough trying to express yourself,
> don't try it on my behalf also.

That's just another  lame come-back. Try to say something
original next time, Fella.

>> Agreed, what that kind of test procedure there's no
>> level-matching and there's no time-synching so of course
>> everything will sound different, which is what Art and
Fella
>> keep pushing.

> This is another example of your bullshit arny. There has
been
> many instances where with sighted auditioning a given
piece of
> equipment sounded almost identical to the piece it was
> supposed to better.

Fella I note that you aren't addressing the fact that by
criticizing us for wanting levels to be matched, you are
promoting tests with mismatched levels. I note that you
aren't addressing the fact that by criticizing us for
wanting the music being matched, you are promoting tests
with mismatched music. I note that you aren't addressing the
fact that by criticizing us for sighted bias to be
controlled, you are promoting tests that are dominated by
sighted bias.

>> Since when are you an expert about testing, Middius?

> Compared to you my dog is an expert-shlexpert on testing.
And
> just  think, I don't even have a dog. :)

That's just yet another insulting lame come-back. Try
something original and clever next time, Fella.