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"Clyde Slick" <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>> "Clyde Slick" <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
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>>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:51:42 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
>> message
>>>>> news:scc9d1h83hel4v8u5goe1plhnohbe2t8ek@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:45:15 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>>>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in
>> message
>>>>>>> news:42D47BFB.8C63757F@attglobal.net...
>>>>>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote
in
>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>> news:eqm6d1p2dotgtu1j7vhck3gie5t6sbs3qk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Jul 2005 17:27:35 -0700,
>> calcerise@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Arny isn't too keen on actually listening to
audio
>>>>>>>>>>> products, since they should all sound the same
>>>>>>>>>>> according to tests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In level-matched blind listening tests, these
three
>>>>>>>>>> players sound identical - as any reasonable
person
>>>>>>>>>> would expect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damn it, there are those pesky expectation effects
>> again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are just trying to rationalize the fact that
you
>>>>>>>> simply must have something exotic and esoteric to
>> believe
>>>>>>>> in. (That this involves audio gear and not some
kind
>> of
>>>>>>>> religious deity and a need for salvation shows a
>>>>>>>> monumental smallness of mind.) That you place
>> expectation
>>>>>>>> effects higher up on the scale than simply not
>> hearing
>>>>>>>> differences during a DBT says more about you as a
>> true
>>>>>>>> believer than it does about any kind of audio gear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a good look at the test methodology, it only
>> accounts
>>>>>>> for eliminating one side of the expectation effects,
>> the
>>>>>>> expectation that there will be differences. It does
>> not
>>>>>>> address eliminating expectation
>>>>>>> effects, based upon an expectation that they will
>> sound
>>>>>>> the same. Thus, this so-called "unbiased" test is
>> actually
>>>>>>> quite biased towards producing your "expected"
>> results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. Those tests are taken by people from both
>> sides
>>>>>> of the fence. The results are the same, only the
>> reactions
>>>>>> vary! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That they are taken by people from both sides is
>> irrelevant.
>>>>> Its the test design  that skews the results, so that
>> they
>>>>> tend to be the same
>>>>
>>>> Still the same old mantra, eh Sackman? The results do
>> indeed
>>>> tend to be the same. That's because most decent
equipment
>>>> really does sound the same, whatever guillible fools
like
>> you
>>>> would like to believe.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, it sounds the same to people who have
>>> preconceived notions that it will sound the same.
>>
>> I just showed how we can use ABX tests to identify people
>> who are prone towards false negatives.
>>
>>
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