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1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

>Hi,
>
>   Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>looking for a 12ft tinny.
>
>   We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling motor"
>for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>
>   Which leads to a pile of questions:
>1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>from the brochure...)
>3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>motor at WOT?
>5. Looking at some specs at
>http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very confusing:
>42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data on
>power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>
>6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>
>   Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>

Good suggestions - you can also use a solar panel from CanTire if you don't
want noise - use multiple batteries - one in use and others on charge.

Try this URL or just go to CanTire URL and search for solar panel - they're
on special right now.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302432693&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395348027&bmUID=1051386085929&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442737345&assortment=primary



"Dan Krueger" <dankrueger@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3EAACB7F.1030802@mindspring.com...
> 1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
> 6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
>
> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >   Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
> >looking for a 12ft tinny.
> >
> >   We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
> >Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
> >near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
> >cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling
motor"
> >for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
> >
> >   Which leads to a pile of questions:
> >1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
> >2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
> >from the brochure...)
> >3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
> >skiff, total weight around 600lb?
> >4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
> >motor at WOT?
> >5. Looking at some specs at
> >http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very
confusing:
> >42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
> >Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data
on
> >power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
> >
> >6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
> >fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
> >
> >   Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
> >
>

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:10:07 +0000, Dan Krueger wrote:

> 1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp

Thanks! Wow, what an AWFUL website! Needs flash for the simplest of tasks,
all flash and no info. Yuk.

It DOES say max current for a 40-lb is 40 amps, and a 55 is 45 amps. Still
doesn't quite make sense...

> 6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
> 

   Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
in the campsite next to mine?

Lloyd


> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>   Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>>looking for a 12ft tinny.
>>
>>   We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>>Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>>near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>>cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling motor"
>>for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>>
>>   Which leads to a pile of questions:
>>1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>>2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>>from the brochure...)
>>3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>>skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>>4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>>motor at WOT?
>>5. Looking at some specs at
>>http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very confusing:
>>42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>>Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data on
>>power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>>
>>6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>>fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>>
>>   Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>>

-- 
Lloyd Sumpter
"Valyrie" Campion 18 - For Sale:
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/Campion

   I have a 40-Watt panel I got for $300. $700 for 45 Watts is WAY out of
line, even if it includes a stand, etc. Try SolTek or Jade Mountain.

   Now, as for a solar panel charging a trolling-motor battery: again, if
I run for 1 hr at WOT, I draw 40 Amp-hrs. A "40-watt" panel actually puts
out about 2 amps, so it would take 20 hrs of sunshine to charge it.


On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:42:43 +0000, Qgold wrote:

> Good suggestions - you can also use a solar panel from CanTire if you don't
> want noise - use multiple batteries - one in use and others on charge.
> 
> Try this URL or just go to CanTire URL and search for solar panel - they're
> on special right now.
> 
> http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302432693&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395348027&bmUID=1051386085929&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442737345&assortment=primary
> 
> 
> 
> "Dan Krueger" <dankrueger@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:3EAACB7F.1030802@mindspring.com...
>> 1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
>> 6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
>>
>> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >   Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>> >looking for a 12ft tinny.
>> >
>> >   We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>> >Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>> >near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>> >cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling
> motor"
>> >for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>> >
>> >   Which leads to a pile of questions:
>> >1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>> >2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>> >from the brochure...)
>> >3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>> >skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>> >4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>> >motor at WOT?
>> >5. Looking at some specs at
>> >http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very
> confusing:
>> >42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>> >Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data
> on
>> >power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>> >
>> >6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>> >fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>> >
>> >   Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>> >
>>

-- 
Lloyd Sumpter
"Valyrie" Campion 18 - For Sale:
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/Campion

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:10:07 +0000, Dan Krueger wrote:
> 
>> 1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
> 
> Thanks! Wow, what an AWFUL website! Needs flash for the simplest of tasks,
> all flash and no info. Yuk.
> 
> It DOES say max current for a 40-lb is 40 amps, and a 55 is 45 amps. Still
> doesn't quite make sense...
> 
>> 6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
>> 
> 
>    Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
> Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
> about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
> in the campsite next to mine?
> 
> Lloyd
> 
> 
>> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>> 
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>   Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>>>looking for a 12ft tinny.
>>>
>>>   We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>>>Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>>>near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>>>cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling motor"
>>>for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>>>
>>>   Which leads to a pile of questions:
>>>1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>>>2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>>>from the brochure...)
>>>3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>>>skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>>>4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>>>motor at WOT?
>>>5. Looking at some specs at
>>>http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very confusing:
>>>42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>>>Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data on
>>>power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>>>
>>>6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>>>fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>>>
>>>   Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>>>
> 


Bite the pullet, Lloyd, and buy a nice new four stroke outboard of about
five horsepower. Cost you about $1,000 American or, say, $3,000,000
Canadian ducats. Weighs under sixty pounds. Not much noise, not much
weight, no steeeenking batteries to worry about, and a five gallon jug
of gasoline will last you a long, long time.

Lloyd,

I bought this one for about $750 (US).  The 12V output is 10 amps and it 
is very quiet (58 dBA).  As a bonus you would have a 120V source for a 
toaster, blender, etc...

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/gen/ef1000.html

The solar panel is a good idea for maintaining your charge but I have 
seen some well over $200.00 that put out roughly 1 amp.

If you are away from shore power for a week, and using your trolling 
motor everyday, your options are limited.

Dan

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:10:07 +0000, Dan Krueger wrote:
>
>>1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
>>
>
>Thanks! Wow, what an AWFUL website! Needs flash for the simplest of tasks,
>all flash and no info. Yuk.
>
>It DOES say max current for a 40-lb is 40 amps, and a 55 is 45 amps. Still
>doesn't quite make sense...
>
>>6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
>>
>
>   Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
>Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
>about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
>in the campsite next to mine?
>
>Lloyd
>
>
>>Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>  Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>>>looking for a 12ft tinny.
>>>
>>>  We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>>>Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>>>near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>>>cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling motor"
>>>for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>>>
>>>  Which leads to a pile of questions:
>>>1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>>>2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>>>
>>>from the brochure...)
>>
>>>3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>>>skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>>>4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>>>motor at WOT?
>>>5. Looking at some specs at
>>>http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very confusing:
>>>42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>>>Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data on
>>>power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>>>
>>>6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>>>fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>>>
>>>  Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>>>
>

Or buy a Briggs & Stratton 5hp 4 stroke for $475 US ($1,425,000 Canadian 
using Harry's exchange rate).  My guess is you probably want electric 
because of the lack of noise and/or you want to start and stop with less 
hassle.  If you want to spend the bucks, get both and mount that 
trolling motor on the bow.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

>Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:10:07 +0000, Dan Krueger wrote:
>>
>>>1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
>>>
>>Thanks! Wow, what an AWFUL website! Needs flash for the simplest of tasks,
>>all flash and no info. Yuk.
>>
>>It DOES say max current for a 40-lb is 40 amps, and a 55 is 45 amps. Still
>>doesn't quite make sense...
>>
>>>6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
>>>
>>   Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
>>Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
>>about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
>>in the campsite next to mine?
>>
>>Lloyd
>>
>>
>>>Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>  Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>>>>looking for a 12ft tinny.
>>>>
>>>>  We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>>>>Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>>>>near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>>>>cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling motor"
>>>>for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>>>>
>>>>  Which leads to a pile of questions:
>>>>1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>>>>2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>>>>
>>>>from the brochure...)
>>>
>>>>3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>>>>skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>>>>4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>>>>motor at WOT?
>>>>5. Looking at some specs at
>>>>http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very confusing:
>>>>42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>>>>Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data on
>>>>power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>>>>
>>>>6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>>>>fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>>>>
>>>>  Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>>>>
>
>
>Bite the pullet, Lloyd, and buy a nice new four stroke outboard of about
>five horsepower. Cost you about $1,000 American or, say, $3,000,000
>Canadian ducats. Weighs under sixty pounds. Not much noise, not much
>weight, no steeeenking batteries to worry about, and a five gallon jug
>of gasoline will last you a long, long time.
>

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:45:13 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:

> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:10:07 +0000, Dan Krueger wrote:
>> 
>>> 1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
>> 
>> Thanks! Wow, what an AWFUL website! Needs flash for the simplest of tasks,
>> all flash and no info. Yuk.
>> 
>> It DOES say max current for a 40-lb is 40 amps, and a 55 is 45 amps. Still
>> doesn't quite make sense...
>> 
>>> 6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
>>> 
>> 
>>    Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
>> Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
>> about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
>> in the campsite next to mine?
>> 
>> Lloyd
>> 
>> 
>>> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>   Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>>>>looking for a 12ft tinny.
>>>>
>>>>   We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>>>>Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>>>>near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>>>>cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling motor"
>>>>for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>>>>
>>>>   Which leads to a pile of questions:
>>>>1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>>>>2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>>>>from the brochure...)
>>>>3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>>>>skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>>>>4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>>>>motor at WOT?
>>>>5. Looking at some specs at
>>>>http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very confusing:
>>>>42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>>>>Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data on
>>>>power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>>>>
>>>>6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>>>>fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>>>>
>>>>   Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>>>>
>> 
> 
> 
> Bite the pullet, Lloyd, and buy a nice new four stroke outboard of about
> five horsepower. Cost you about $1,000 American or, say, $3,000,000
> Canadian ducats. Weighs under sixty pounds. Not much noise, not much
> weight, no steeeenking batteries to worry about, and a five gallon jug
> of gasoline will last you a long, long time.

   Trust me, Harry: once you've gone the electric route, you'll never go
back to gas. My lady now refuses to go in any boat with an outboard, even
a 4-stroke. And my favourite Pet Peeve is STILL outboards on tender
dinghies, their noise ruining an otherwise peaceful anchorage.

   New, 4-stroke outboards are "quiet" compared to older 2-stroke
outboards. They're Damn Noisy compared to an electric.

   Having said all that, I'm planning to buy a 9.9 4-stroke for the tinny
as well as the trolling motor, for when I want to go somewhere fast.

   (Oh, and if the US Buk keeps free-falling compared to the Loonie, it
will soon be worth less again.)

-- 
Lloyd Sumpter
"Valyrie" Campion 18 - For Sale:
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/Campion

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:45:13 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:
> 
>> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:10:07 +0000, Dan Krueger wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 1) http://www.minnkotamotors.com/_swf/index.asp
>>> 
>>> Thanks! Wow, what an AWFUL website! Needs flash for the simplest of tasks,
>>> all flash and no info. Yuk.
>>> 
>>> It DOES say max current for a 40-lb is 40 amps, and a 55 is 45 amps. Still
>>> doesn't quite make sense...
>>> 
>>>> 6) 1000 watt generator with 12v output.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
>>> Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
>>> about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
>>> in the campsite next to mine?
>>> 
>>> Lloyd
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>   Well, it looks like Valkyrie is getting sold this afternoon, so I'm
>>>>>looking for a 12ft tinny.
>>>>>
>>>>>   We've had Great Success with the cheapy 30-lb Enduro trolling motor on
>>>>>Near Cove (8ft Walker Bay). At "WOT", she gets about 3 knots, which is
>>>>>near hull speed. And I can diddle about at 2 knots all afternoon on a
>>>>>cheapy 27N CanTy battery. So...we're looking at getting a "trolling motor"
>>>>>for the tinny, to be used as the main motor.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Which leads to a pile of questions:
>>>>>1. Where's the Minn Kota website? The URL I have doesn't work any more.
>>>>>2. Is the Maxxum worth the extra money (experience requested, not quotes
>>>>>from the brochure...)
>>>>>3. How much speed could I expect with a 40-lb motor for a 12-ft aluminum
>>>>>skiff, total weight around 600lb?
>>>>>4. With a proper, say Series 24 deep-cycle, how long could I run a 40-lb
>>>>>motor at WOT?
>>>>>5. Looking at some specs at
>>>>>http://www.northlandmarine.com/MinnKotaEnduraSeries.htm is very confusing:
>>>>>42 Amps max for the 40, but 40 Amps for the 50 (both 12V)?? Same for the
>>>>>Maxxum... Anyone actually measure their current draw? Is there ANY data on
>>>>>power vs current draw for these motors anywhere?
>>>>>
>>>>>6. Any suggestions on charging the battery? We're looking at a week-long
>>>>>fishing/camping trip, and most campsites don't have electricity.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Well, that's long! Hope this turns into an interesting thread...
>>>>>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bite the pullet, Lloyd, and buy a nice new four stroke outboard of about
>> five horsepower. Cost you about $1,000 American or, say, $3,000,000
>> Canadian ducats. Weighs under sixty pounds. Not much noise, not much
>> weight, no steeeenking batteries to worry about, and a five gallon jug
>> of gasoline will last you a long, long time.
> 
>    Trust me, Harry: once you've gone the electric route, you'll never go
> back to gas. My lady now refuses to go in any boat with an outboard, even
> a 4-stroke. And my favourite Pet Peeve is STILL outboards on tender
> dinghies, their noise ruining an otherwise peaceful anchorage.
> 
>    New, 4-stroke outboards are "quiet" compared to older 2-stroke
> outboards. They're Damn Noisy compared to an electric.
> 
>    Having said all that, I'm planning to buy a 9.9 4-stroke for the tinny
> as well as the trolling motor, for when I want to go somewhere fast.
> 
>    (Oh, and if the US Buk keeps free-falling compared to the Loonie, it
> will soon be worth less again.)
> 


I have an electric trolling motor on a rubbery dinghy. For what I use it
for, it is suitable. For what you are planning to do, a gas engine is
the answer.

One of my pet peeves: sailboters at anchorages and marinas who let their
rigging rattle 24/7 (at least 75% of sailboters *never* leave their
marina). What a frippin' racket...someone should go out there with a
cable cutter and put an end to it.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:52:14 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
<lsumpter@dccnet.com> wrote:

>   Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
>Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
>about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
>in the campsite next to mine?
=====================================================

Lloyd, you're right about the need to resore a lot of amps with a
minimum amount of time and noise.  When you go camping, do you take
your sailboat or a car/truck?  If so, think about a high output
alternator with a 3 stage charge regulator.  With that kind of setup
you could recharge at 50 to 60 amps per hour depending on the capacity
of your battery.  The max recharge rate is usually specified to not
exceed 25% of your battery capacity in amp-hours, i.e., 100 amp hour
group 29 battery should not be continuously recharged at more than 25
amps (or discharged to more than 50%).  Another alternative,
relatively easy on the neighbors,  is one of the small, very quiet
Honda gensets driving a 3-stage, 110 volt charger.  A 700 or 800 watt
genset should be capable of powering a 50 amp charger with a little
left over.  Some of the quieter Honda's are difficult to hear from 20
feet away and you would only need to run it for an hour or two.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:27:40 +0000, WayneB wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:52:14 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
> <lsumpter@dccnet.com> wrote:
> 
>>   Well, if I run a 40-lb motor for 1.5 hrs WOT, I've used about 60
>>Amp-hrs. To put that back in with a Genset (12V output on these is usually
>>about 6 amps max) means I run it for about 12 hrs. You wanna be the folks
>>in the campsite next to mine?
> =====================================================
> 
> Lloyd, you're right about the need to resore a lot of amps with a
> minimum amount of time and noise.  When you go camping, do you take
> your sailboat or a car/truck?  If so, think about a high output
> alternator with a 3 stage charge regulator.  With that kind of setup
> you could recharge at 50 to 60 amps per hour depending on the capacity
> of your battery.  The max recharge rate is usually specified to not
> exceed 25% of your battery capacity in amp-hours, i.e., 100 amp hour
> group 29 battery should not be continuously recharged at more than 25
> amps (or discharged to more than 50%).  Another alternative,
> relatively easy on the neighbors,  is one of the small, very quiet
> Honda gensets driving a 3-stage, 110 volt charger.  A 700 or 800 watt
> genset should be capable of powering a 50 amp charger with a little
> left over.  Some of the quieter Honda's are difficult to hear from 20
> feet away and you would only need to run it for an hour or two.

   Thanks - sounds like you understand my problem!

   I used the van (truck actually) to charge the "house" battery while
camping a few years ago, and was dissappointed with the results. I didn't
have it "wired in" (ie proper battery switch, etc), just used jumper
cables. I found that the battery didn't charge well unless I actually
swapped batteries. That worked, but a PITA.

   I have the genset/charger setup you mentioned on Far Cove - it didn't
work. First, a good 40A 3-stage charger (Statpower) runs about $500CDN.
(ie more than the motor and battery!). Second, I found that even a 1000 W
genset won't run it because it has a power factor of about .6 (Yuk!). I AM
looking at getting a Shiny New EU-2000, which is very quiet and will run
the Statpower. But I only have so much money...

   I'm thinking a combination of all the above (Solar panel, van
alternator, AC charger for when we have "Shore power"...) is what we'll
end up with.

-- 
Lloyd Sumpter

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:33:33 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
<lsumpter@dccnet.com> wrote:
>   I used the van (truck actually) to charge the "house" battery while
>camping a few years ago, and was dissappointed with the results. I didn't
>have it "wired in" (ie proper battery switch, etc), just used jumper
>cables. I found that the battery didn't charge well unless I actually
>swapped batteries. That worked, but a PITA.

===================================================

Good luck, keep us posted.  I think the problem you encountered with
the van is two fold:  1) Paralleling a discharged battery with one
that's already charged (and of a different type); and 2) Most
automotive voltage regulators are set up to maintain charge level as
opposed to recharging quickly.  Maybe a 3-stage charge regulator for
the van?  Or a dual output alternator with separate regulator?

Harry Krause wrote:
> 

> One of my pet peeves: sailboters at anchorages and marinas who let their
> rigging rattle 24/7 (at least 75% of sailboters *never* leave their
> marina). What a frippin' racket...someone should go out there with a
> cable cutter and put an end to it.

Harry, great lover of the outdoors, seemingly prefers the chug
chug chug of his a/c genny over the random whisper and laughter
of the wind amidst the branches, twigs and leaves that grow in
the forest he prefers to haunt for an hour or two a day as he
hides his liquor and illicit love from his wife, whatever;-)

We, truer sailors, love to hear the rattle and ding of shrouds as
the wind rises.  It reminds us to check our moorings, if we must
rest.

I agree though, we would all do well to flip our halyards over
the spreaders at evening. Better they are left loose even, than
as window harps.  I bungy mine. One way to minimise internal
dinging is to heel the boat, by shifting weight so the thing
doesn't roll past centre so much.  Maybe a water bag hung over
one side?

Better a little cast off string than bolt cutters, Harry.  My
electronic trespass alarm might malfunction and fry you on deck. 
I don't want to have to clean you up.

There is a speed at which trolling motors work most efficiently,
depending on your rig.  Wasted power must be put back into the
battery.  Trying to go faster than er, 'hull speed' wastes
electricity. It is easier to recharge a battery that has not been
unneccessarily discharged. Better perhaps a small outboard sail
rig, used in conjunction with a bow keel paddle clamped in place
or a lee board paddle in a special oarlock?

Simpler, patience. A more liesurely pace?

Maybe a portable alternator / windmill / bicycle pedal charger /
excercise machine?  Your kids could watch tv while pedalling
their way to fitness.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:42:19 +0000, Sum Bud Yelse wrote:

> 
> 
> There is a speed at which trolling motors work most efficiently,
> depending on your rig.  Wasted power must be put back into the
> battery.  Trying to go faster than er, 'hull speed' wastes
> electricity.

   This is true, and also true about gas vs electric. A 4hp gas outboard
won't get you any faster than an electric, because it's too wimpy to get
you on plane. Waste of energy, as well as noisy and smelly.

> It is easier to recharge a battery that has not been
> unneccessarily discharged. Better perhaps a small outboard sail
> rig, used in conjunction with a bow keel paddle clamped in place
> or a lee board paddle in a special oarlock?
>

   Sailing is nice, but there's usually little or no wind on the lakes I'm
going to.
 
> Simpler, patience. A more liesurely pace?
> 
> Maybe a portable alternator / windmill / bicycle pedal charger /
> excercise machine?  Your kids could watch tv while pedalling
> their way to fitness.

   I suggested that to my Lady, and she pointed out that if we're gonna
use "manual labour", we might as well just row. Damn I hate it when
she's right! :)

Lloyd

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:42:19 +0000, Sum Bud Yelse wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is a speed at which trolling motors work most efficiently,
>> depending on your rig.  Wasted power must be put back into the
>> battery.  Trying to go faster than er, 'hull speed' wastes
>> electricity.
> 
>    This is true, and also true about gas vs electric. A 4hp gas outboard
> won't get you any faster than an electric, because it's too wimpy to get
> you on plane. Waste of energy, as well as noisy and smelly.
> 
>> It is easier to recharge a battery that has not been
>> unneccessarily discharged. Better perhaps a small outboard sail
>> rig, used in conjunction with a bow keel paddle clamped in place
>> or a lee board paddle in a special oarlock?
>>
> 
>    Sailing is nice, but there's usually little or no wind on the lakes I'm
> going to.
>  
>> Simpler, patience. A more liesurely pace?
>> 
>> Maybe a portable alternator / windmill / bicycle pedal charger /
>> excercise machine?  Your kids could watch tv while pedalling
>> their way to fitness.
> 
>    I suggested that to my Lady, and she pointed out that if we're gonna
> use "manual labour", we might as well just row. Damn I hate it when
> she's right! :)
> 
> Lloyd
> 

Well, she is right. If you're just going to be puttering around small
lakes, why not get a canoe? Couple of years ago, a friend and I bought
an "end of season" canoe from a local river outfitter. He buys several
dozen Old Town canoes each year, rents them out for a year or so, and
then sells them off. They have some scratches on the bottom from running
over the river rocks or from being dragged, but they really are in
pretty decent shape. We use the canoe to run the Shenandoah River or to
fish little rivers and lakes, and find paddling a perfectly acceptable
means of locomotion.

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:57:58 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:

> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:42:19 +0000, Sum Bud Yelse wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is a speed at which trolling motors work most efficiently,
>>> depending on your rig.  Wasted power must be put back into the
>>> battery.  Trying to go faster than er, 'hull speed' wastes
>>> electricity.
>> 
>>    This is true, and also true about gas vs electric. A 4hp gas outboard
>> won't get you any faster than an electric, because it's too wimpy to get
>> you on plane. Waste of energy, as well as noisy and smelly.
>> 
>>> It is easier to recharge a battery that has not been
>>> unneccessarily discharged. Better perhaps a small outboard sail
>>> rig, used in conjunction with a bow keel paddle clamped in place
>>> or a lee board paddle in a special oarlock?
>>>
>> 
>>    Sailing is nice, but there's usually little or no wind on the lakes I'm
>> going to.
>>  
>>> Simpler, patience. A more liesurely pace?
>>> 
>>> Maybe a portable alternator / windmill / bicycle pedal charger /
>>> excercise machine?  Your kids could watch tv while pedalling
>>> their way to fitness.
>> 
>>    I suggested that to my Lady, and she pointed out that if we're gonna
>> use "manual labour", we might as well just row. Damn I hate it when
>> she's right! :)
>> 
>> Lloyd
>> 
> 
> Well, she is right. If you're just going to be puttering around small
> lakes, why not get a canoe? Couple of years ago, a friend and I bought
> an "end of season" canoe from a local river outfitter. He buys several
> dozen Old Town canoes each year, rents them out for a year or so, and
> then sells them off. They have some scratches on the bottom from running
> over the river rocks or from being dragged, but they really are in
> pretty decent shape. We use the canoe to run the Shenandoah River or to
> fish little rivers and lakes, and find paddling a perfectly acceptable
> means of locomotion.

   Harry, Harry, Harry...you know me better than that! Of COURSE I have a
canoe - a 16ft "generic" fibreglass I got for $500. We'll probably be
taking it with us along with the tinny on our fishing trip this summer.

   But they are tippy, and you have to step over those damn thwarts to get
at anything. A 12ft skiff is way roomier. Lots of room for a couple of
rods (per person), tackleboxes, cooler, extra cloths, jug of water...

Lloyd