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Started by Peter J. Scotto
Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:08
Camouflage painting opinions needed!
Author: Peter J. Scotto
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:08
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:08
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OK, I realize that airbrushes produce a really great finish, but I've got a problem with some of the stuff I've seen. When I see models with say, RAF bi-color patterns or modern American tri-color patterns, I see alot of this feather edge freehand stuff, where one color kind of feathers off into another. However, on the actual aircraft and vehicles I have seen, the lines of demarcation between colors seem pretty distinct and should be more so on the smaller scale model. So what's going on here? Is this a case of the tool driving the modeller? Specifically, I'm working on an A-10 now with a three color camouflage pattern (dark green, medium green, and dark grey). When I look at the plans, what I see represented are distinct patches of color, but when I look at the box, I see this indistinct feathery stuff. My inclination is to mask and use the airbrush or use a brush. Any opinions or advice on this? --Peter Scotto
Re: Camouflage painting opinions needed!
Author: Goran Sedvall
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:29
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:29
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pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes: >OK, I realize that airbrushes produce a really great finish, >but I've got a problem with some of the stuff I've seen. >When I see models with say, RAF bi-color patterns or modern >American tri-color patterns, I see alot of this feather edge >freehand stuff, where one color kind of feathers off into another. >However, on the actual aircraft and vehicles I have seen, the >lines of demarcation between colors seem pretty distinct and should be >more so on the smaller scale model. So what's going on here? >Is this a case of the tool driving the modeller? >Specifically, I'm working on an A-10 now with a three color >camouflage pattern (dark green, medium green, and dark grey). >When I look at the plans, what I see represented are distinct >patches of color, but when I look at the box, I see this indistinct >feathery stuff. My inclination is to mask and use the airbrush or >use a brush. >Any opinions or advice on this? >--Peter Scotto Argg, I reccongize your problem. RAF in particular have very sharp edges but not so sharp so one can use Maskol or tape to mask the area. If one airbrush the edges on free hand will the edges be too soft. One way witch I use, even if it's a lot of work and not perfect, is to use tape and add a sewing-thread under the edge of the tape, so the edge is slightly lifted. That gives a sharp edge, slightly softed. The tricky part is to add the thread. If anyone have a better suggestion I would appreciate that a lot. Goran
Re: Camouflage painting opinions needed!
Author: August Horvath
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:56
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:56
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In article <1k1hbqINNqp5@slab.mtholyoke.edu> pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes: >OK, I realize that airbrushes produce a really great finish, >but I've got a problem with some of the stuff I've seen. >When I see models with say, RAF bi-color patterns or modern >American tri-color patterns, I see alot of this feather edge >freehand stuff, where one color kind of feathers off into another. >However, on the actual aircraft and vehicles I have seen, the >lines of demarcation between colors seem pretty distinct and should be >more so on the smaller scale model. So what's going on here? >Is this a case of the tool driving the modeller? You're exactly right! And there are 2 related problems. 1. If you look real close at the actual aircraft and vehicles, there is often a soft demarcation, but not nearly as soft as that often painted on models. The problem is airbrush technique. In 1/72 scale, it's almost impossible to paint freehand and get a tight enough demarcation line to look accurate. Even in 1/48 or 1/32, you need an a-brush with a nice fine nozzle and considerable skill to get the lines tight enough. The solution is "soft masking"--laying down tape but lifting the edge a millimetre or two, producing a soft line but much tighter than is obtainable freehand. This can take a hell of a long time, especially on, say, sand-and-spinach schemes where there are so many little patches of color to mask, and you have to make sure all the tape edges stick up just the same amount or there will be variation in the line softness. Freehand is a lot more fun! 2. Modellers sometimes assume soft demarcation lines where there are none. For example on Brit a/c circa WW2, usually the lines between the upper camouflage colors are soft, but that between the upper and lower colors are hard. On the other hand, when a/c were built by the US for the British and painted at US factories in Brit camouflage, often the line between upper and lower surfaces was painted soft as well. August Horvath <augustho@usc.edu>
Re: Camouflage painting opinions needed!
Author: Tuomas Viljanen
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:40
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:40
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In article <1k1hbqINNqp5@slab.mtholyoke.edu> pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes: >However, on the actual aircraft and vehicles I have seen, the >lines of demarcation between colors seem pretty distinct and should be >more so on the smaller scale model. So what's going on here? >Is this a case of the tool driving the modeller? > >Specifically, I'm working on an A-10 now with a three color >camouflage pattern (dark green, medium green, and dark grey). >When I look at the plans, what I see represented are distinct >patches of color, but when I look at the box, I see this indistinct >feathery stuff. My inclination is to mask and use the airbrush or >use a brush. Actually, IMHO, it is a question of an illusion. The wiever knows there are soft demarcation lines on the real thing - he waits to see them also in the model. To make things clear, the demarcation lines must be exagger- ated in the small scales to look realistic: compare with the highlighting and shading of the miniature figurines. Therefore demarcation lines are airbrushed on the model to appear as soft, and they do look like ones on the real thing - although they are grossly out of scale. Sharp edges, like those obtained with an ordinary brush, just don't create the same illusion - they don't resemble the real thing. To reduce the feathery edge, but still leave it to look like brushed, one good solution is to use mask. I have two solutions: either I use 3M Post- It patches cut in form (the yellow billets, you know) or ordinary carpenter's tape with the edges rolled up for about 1-2 mm. To obtain thin line, one should have VERY dilute paint (I use 1:3 - 1:4) AND high pressure (2-2.5 bar). Xtracolor enamels and Tamiya acrylics are good for this. And also, if you want hard edges, just press the mask edge firmly onto the model. Also, an airbrush is an enormous timesaver - you'll do the same job in fifteen minutes you'd be using 2 h with a hairbrush (a pun intended !) and the coat is even - no flocks, brush marks etc. For a serious modeler an airbrush is, IMHO, a must. And, with the T-bolt, the demarcation lines on the real thing are RREALLY coarse, I'd use an airbrush freehand to paint the blotches. --++ Tuomas Viljanen ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do ++ ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19 ++ not need a military genius like ++ ++ SF-02720 Espoo FINLAND ++ Edward III. All you need is an ++ ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like Duke of Alencon. ++
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