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"Phillip Treweek" <treweek@cs.waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> Hi Folks,
>          as promised I have managed to fit in a second update this month.
> Newly posted are 35 pictures featuring the Short S.25 in civil and
> military guise.  These are the former TEAL Sandringham ZK-AMH (16 images)
> - now displayed at the Southampton Hall of Aviation in its later identity
> VH-BRC; and a former RNZAF Sunderland 'NZ4115' under restoration at MoTaT
> (19 images).  Images include interior and exterior pics.

Did the run (passenger) from Rose Bay to Lord Howe Is. in one - think it
might have been EBX but would have to check my old photos.
The "regulars" were easily spotted, settling down immediately to games of
cards (downstairs).
Made the mistake of doing the return trip upstairs - which was the start of
my industrial deafness :-)

Other remembered points are the acceleration at the start of the t/o run and
the size of the lagoon at LHI - there wasn't much of it that wasn't used on
the t/o run...

In article <9u49pi$ctl$1@spider.cqu.edu.au>, "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote:

> "Phillip Treweek" <treweek@cs.waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
> news:treweek-2911011532040001@gnome.cs.waikato.ac.nz...
> > Hi Folks,
> >          as promised I have managed to fit in a second update this month.
> > Newly posted are 35 pictures featuring the Short S.25 in civil and
> > military guise.  These are the former TEAL Sandringham ZK-AMH (16 images)
> > - now displayed at the Southampton Hall of Aviation in its later identity
> > VH-BRC; and a former RNZAF Sunderland 'NZ4115' under restoration at MoTaT
> > (19 images).  Images include interior and exterior pics.
> 
> Did the run (passenger) from Rose Bay to Lord Howe Is. in one - think it
> might have been EBX but would have to check my old photos.
> The "regulars" were easily spotted, settling down immediately to games of
> cards (downstairs).
> Made the mistake of doing the return trip upstairs - which was the start of
> my industrial deafness :-)
> 
> Other remembered points are the acceleration at the start of the t/o run and
> the size of the lagoon at LHI - there wasn't much of it that wasn't used on
> the t/o run...

Hi,
       over the past few years I've had a number of emails about the
flying boats - which is one of the reasons I was happy to be able to post
pictures of VH-BRC at long last.  Most of the comments about the boats
seem to be of a favourable nature, which is odd given the comfort level. 
Is it nostalgia, or did people find an affinity with this mode of travel
...

                    Phil.

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"Phillip Treweek" <treweek@cs.waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
news:treweek-3011010928010001@gnome.cs.waikato.ac.nz...
> In article <9u49pi$ctl$1@spider.cqu.edu.au>, "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au>
wrote:
> >
> > Did the run (passenger) from Rose Bay to Lord Howe Is. in one - think it
> > might have been EBX but would have to check my old photos.
> > The "regulars" were easily spotted, settling down immediately to games
of
> > cards (downstairs).
> > Made the mistake of doing the return trip upstairs - which was the start
of
> > my industrial deafness :-)
> >
> > Other remembered points are the acceleration at the start of the t/o run
and
> > the size of the lagoon at LHI - there wasn't much of it that wasn't used
on
> > the t/o run...
>
> Hi,
>        over the past few years I've had a number of emails about the
> flying boats - which is one of the reasons I was happy to be able to post
> pictures of VH-BRC at long last.  Most of the comments about the boats
> seem to be of a favourable nature, which is odd given the comfort level.
> Is it nostalgia, or did people find an affinity with this mode of travel

I remember it as being quite comfortable - plenty of room.   Also the noise
level downstairs wasn't remarkable, there was nothing in the way of
turbulence and nothing to look at except water so nothing to interrupt the
card games :-)

Perhaps more similar to train travel than other flights!

[SNIP]
> > Hi,
> >        over the past few years I've had a number of emails about the
> > flying boats - which is one of the reasons I was happy to be able to post
> > pictures of VH-BRC at long last.  Most of the comments about the boats
> > seem to be of a favourable nature, which is odd given the comfort level.
> > Is it nostalgia, or did people find an affinity with this mode of travel
> 
> I remember it as being quite comfortable - plenty of room.   Also the noise
> level downstairs wasn't remarkable, there was nothing in the way of
> turbulence and nothing to look at except water so nothing to interrupt the
> card games :-)
> 
> Perhaps more similar to train travel than other flights!

Did it in 1972 and have to agree with RT, was quite comfortable. It
was noisy, but not noticably more so than the DC4 to Norfolk Is. Also
the whole ambience was totally diffrent, at least to Lord Howe.
The whole world looks diffrent on a very late summer morning at 2:00
am in the park down by Sydney Harbour at Rose Bay when the culmination
of a long held dream is about to happen. It felt like no other flight
I have ever taken.

The dawn arrival at Lord howe was also some thing very special, and
the whole thing was so long ago (last millieum, as my kids remind me)
it may be an artifical rosey memory, but as I'm not likley to fly a
flying boat again I'll keep it thanks!


Allen

Lucky Lucky you.

I would have loved to do that flight.  best I managed was a Bristol
Freighter to Chatham Islands, landing on what seemed to be a peat swamp.

I love old aircraft.

Cheers
"Allen" <gemuser@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:b412e015.0111292134.1c067ae8@posting.google.com...
> [SNIP]
> > > Hi,
> > >        over the past few years I've had a number of emails about the
> > > flying boats - which is one of the reasons I was happy to be able to
post
> > > pictures of VH-BRC at long last.  Most of the comments about the boats
> > > seem to be of a favourable nature, which is odd given the comfort
level.
> > > Is it nostalgia, or did people find an affinity with this mode of
travel
> >
> > I remember it as being quite comfortable - plenty of room.   Also the
noise
> > level downstairs wasn't remarkable, there was nothing in the way of
> > turbulence and nothing to look at except water so nothing to interrupt
the
> > card games :-)
> >
> > Perhaps more similar to train travel than other flights!
>
> Did it in 1972 and have to agree with RT, was quite comfortable. It
> was noisy, but not noticably more so than the DC4 to Norfolk Is. Also
> the whole ambience was totally diffrent, at least to Lord Howe.
> The whole world looks diffrent on a very late summer morning at 2:00
> am in the park down by Sydney Harbour at Rose Bay when the culmination
> of a long held dream is about to happen. It felt like no other flight
> I have ever taken.
>
> The dawn arrival at Lord howe was also some thing very special, and
> the whole thing was so long ago (last millieum, as my kids remind me)
> it may be an artifical rosey memory, but as I'm not likley to fly a
> flying boat again I'll keep it thanks!
>
>
> Allen

Graeme Butler <taurangadolphins@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:3c09f32a@clear.net.nz...
> Lucky Lucky you.
>
> I would have loved to do that flight.  best I managed was a Bristol
> Freighter to Chatham Islands, landing on what seemed to be a peat swamp.
>
> I love old aircraft.

Ah well, at least you got a nice long flight.   You need a cut lunch even
for a circuit in one of those things - not that they're slow or anything....
:-)
Used to be one coming thru Tamworth many years (ok, a few decades) ago -
very distinctive engine note from the sleeve valve engines.

"Cut Lunch", wonderful expression, had not heard it before but understood it
instantly.  This is one I may adopt.

Regards,

Tex

"RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
news:9ud9hu$k9$1@spider.cqu.edu.au...
> Ah well, at least you got a nice long flight.   You need a cut lunch even
> for a circuit in one of those things - not that they're slow or
anything....
> :-)

"Tex Houston" <texhouston@pcisys.net> wrote in message
news:u0krcb6qac1lcf@corp.supernews.com...
> "Cut Lunch", wonderful expression, had not heard it before but understood
it
> instantly.  This is one I may adopt.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tex
>
> "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:9ud9hu$k9$1@spider.cqu.edu.au...
> > Ah well, at least you got a nice long flight.   You need a cut lunch
even
> > for a circuit in one of those things - not that they're slow or
> anything....
> > :-)

It's actually only 1/2 the expression.   Used when destination is distant or
difficult to find:  "You'll need a cut lunch and a compass".   Bristol
Frghtners already have the compass...

"RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
news:9uecci$c7u$1@spider.cqu.edu.au...
>
> "Tex Houston" <texhouston@pcisys.net> wrote in message
> news:u0krcb6qac1lcf@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Cut Lunch", wonderful expression, had not heard it before but
understood
> it
> > instantly.  This is one I may adopt.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tex
> >
> > "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
> > news:9ud9hu$k9$1@spider.cqu.edu.au...
> > > Ah well, at least you got a nice long flight.   You need a cut lunch
> even
> > > for a circuit in one of those things - not that they're slow or
> > anything....
> > > :-)
>
> It's actually only 1/2 the expression.   Used when destination is distant
or
> difficult to find:  "You'll need a cut lunch and a compass".   Bristol
> Frghtners already have the compass...

Hmmm - Bristol Freighter...  40,000 rivets flying in close formation.

In article <dkzO7.5707$XE.431654@news.xtra.co.nz>,
"PapaBear" <zeus@shadofax.gen.nz> wrote:

>Hmmm - Bristol Freighter...  40,000 rivets flying in close formation.

No, *loose* formation. If they weren't loose, they wouldn't rattle...

As someone else pointed out, I miss the sound of those Hercules engines too.
I hear the occasional DC3, but it's not quite the same. Anyone old enough to
remember the sound of a distant steam-train whistle late at night will know
what I mean....

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi-
national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet
software and decent hardware support."

My trip to Chatham was an adventure.

The Bristo Freighter had huge doors in front that gave access to the cargo
hold.  This aircraft had a modified pod with seats and sound insulation and
the windows lined up with the portholes on the fusilage.

The flight was long, 350 or 400 miles and we were not that high, 3000 feet
comes to mind. able to see the seas breaking anyway.

After about four hours we sighted the island and landed on a paddock
airstrip and the aircraft taxied to a concrete pad.

This pad had apparently been built after one or two incidents of the
aircraft sinking into the peat up to the wheel axles and having to be
extricated wit a great deal of difficulty.

I went from the airstip to a very isolated sheep station, one of the oldest
Chatham Island homes.  In the attic were instruments, and other bits and
peices of a Sunderland that struck a log in the lagoon, puncturing a float
and then being written off by the Government.  Bits of this Sunderland are
spread among the farms and homes of Chatham.  A propeller is set in concrete
outside of the post office building.

Other passengers on the flight included a Fisheries inspector and a number
of fishermen on their way to court in Chatham, for various offenses.  Others
were joining boats fishing in the area.

A returning local asked me whare I was going, I told them I was on my way to
Manage A big Sheep station down there, His response was....Hey Guys, this
poor bastard is going to manage Spannerhead's place.

Everyone gathered around and offered me huge sympathy, it seemsed that
Spanner head was a well known, well judged local nutter with a ferocious
reputation.

Itr was an adventure.  Sorry about the rave but the memory of flying in that
rattly old aircraft so far out into the Southern Ocean is one of my
favourites.
"PapaBear" <zeus@shadofax.gen.nz> wrote in message
news:dkzO7.5707$XE.431654@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:9uecci$c7u$1@spider.cqu.edu.au...
> >
> > "Tex Houston" <texhouston@pcisys.net> wrote in message
> > news:u0krcb6qac1lcf@corp.supernews.com...
> > > "Cut Lunch", wonderful expression, had not heard it before but
> understood
> > it
> > > instantly.  This is one I may adopt.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Tex
> > >
> > > "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
> > > news:9ud9hu$k9$1@spider.cqu.edu.au...
> > > > Ah well, at least you got a nice long flight.   You need a cut lunch
> > even
> > > > for a circuit in one of those things - not that they're slow or
> > > anything....
> > > > :-)
> >
> > It's actually only 1/2 the expression.   Used when destination is
distant
> or
> > difficult to find:  "You'll need a cut lunch and a compass".   Bristol
> > Frghtners already have the compass...
>
> Hmmm - Bristol Freighter...  40,000 rivets flying in close formation.
>
>

"Graeme Butler" <taurangadolphins@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:3c0acf5c@clear.net.nz...
> My trip to Chatham was an adventure.
>
> The Bristo Freighter had huge doors in front that gave access to the cargo
> hold.  This aircraft had a modified pod with seats and sound insulation
and
> the windows lined up with the portholes on the fusilage.
>
> The flight was long, 350 or 400 miles and we were not that high, 3000 feet
> comes to mind. able to see the seas breaking anyway.
>
> After about four hours we sighted the island and landed on a paddock
> airstrip and the aircraft taxied to a concrete pad.
>
> This pad had apparently been built after one or two incidents of the
> aircraft sinking into the peat up to the wheel axles and having to be
> extricated wit a great deal of difficulty.
>
> I went from the airstip to a very isolated sheep station, one of the
oldest
> Chatham Island homes.  In the attic were instruments, and other bits and
> peices of a Sunderland that struck a log in the lagoon, puncturing a float
> and then being written off by the Government.  Bits of this Sunderland are
> spread among the farms and homes of Chatham.  A propeller is set in
concrete
> outside of the post office building.
>
> Other passengers on the flight included a Fisheries inspector and a number
> of fishermen on their way to court in Chatham, for various offenses.
Others
> were joining boats fishing in the area.
>
> A returning local asked me whare I was going, I told them I was on my way
to
> Manage A big Sheep station down there, His response was....Hey Guys, this
> poor bastard is going to manage Spannerhead's place.
>
> Everyone gathered around and offered me huge sympathy, it seemsed that
> Spanner head was a well known, well judged local nutter with a ferocious
> reputation.
>
> Itr was an adventure.  Sorry about the rave but the memory of flying in
that
> rattly old aircraft so far out into the Southern Ocean is one of my
> favourites.

Nice vignette - thanks.

"Don Hills" <dmhills@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:wUsC8sgaXS8Y092yn@attglobal.net...
> In article <dkzO7.5707$XE.431654@news.xtra.co.nz>,
> "PapaBear" <zeus@shadofax.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> >Hmmm - Bristol Freighter...  40,000 rivets flying in close formation.
>
> No, *loose* formation. If they weren't loose, they wouldn't rattle...

*chuckle*  Touch� :)

My father told me of an incident when he was in a Bristol Freighter when an
American pilot (army or air force - I'm not sure) was having a
familiarisation flight in the freighter.  When coming in to land the US
pilot was going through his checklist and called to the kiwi co-pilot
"Wheels down and locked for landing?"

The kiwi co's response:  "Wheels down and f*cken WELDED I hope!"

PapaBear

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:08:18 +1000, "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote:

>It's actually only 1/2 the expression.   Used when destination is distant or
>difficult to find:  "You'll need a cut lunch and a compass".   Bristol
>Frghtners already have the compass...


"Cut lunch and a water bag", or so I thought....
Cheers,

Paul Saccani
some School of Applied Science
in Western Australia

On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:20:00 +1200, dmhills@attglobal.net (Don
Hills) wrote

>In article <dkzO7.5707$XE.431654@news.xtra.co.nz>,
>"PapaBear" <zeus@shadofax.gen.nz> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm - Bristol Freighter...  40,000 rivets flying in close formation.
>
>No, *loose* formation. If they weren't loose, they wouldn't rattle...
>
>As someone else pointed out, I miss the sound of those Hercules engines too.
>I hear the occasional DC3, but it's not quite the same. Anyone old enough to
>remember the sound of a distant steam-train whistle late at night will know
>what I mean....

I remember being in Taumarunui and hearing steam trains coming up
the rise late at night.

"RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
news:9uekh8$21p$1@spider.cqu.edu.au...
>

> Nice vignette - thanks.
>

Will you have that with avocado?    <GRIN>

On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:46:41 +0800, Paul Saccani
<safer.roads@iname.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:08:18 +1000, "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote:
>
>>It's actually only 1/2 the expression.   Used when destination is distant or
>>difficult to find:  "You'll need a cut lunch and a compass".   Bristol
>>Frghtners already have the compass...
>
>
>"Cut lunch and a water bag", or so I thought....
>Cheers,
>
>Paul Saccani
>some School of Applied Science
>in Western Australia

you got it.
the idiom may have been different in the peanut areas though. :-)

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:03:22 +1300, "Graeme Butler"
<taurangadolphins@clear.net.nz> wrote:

>My trip to Chatham was an adventure.
>
>The Bristo Freighter had huge doors in front that gave access to the cargo
>hold.  This aircraft had a modified pod with seats and sound insulation and
>the windows lined up with the portholes on the fusilage.
>
>The flight was long, 350 or 400 miles and we were not that high, 3000 feet
>comes to mind. able to see the seas breaking anyway.
>
>After about four hours we sighted the island and landed on a paddock
>airstrip and the aircraft taxied to a concrete pad.
>
>This pad had apparently been built after one or two incidents of the
>aircraft sinking into the peat up to the wheel axles and having to be
>extricated wit a great deal of difficulty.
>
>I went from the airstip to a very isolated sheep station, one of the oldest
>Chatham Island homes.  In the attic were instruments, and other bits and
>peices of a Sunderland that struck a log in the lagoon, puncturing a float
>and then being written off by the Government.  Bits of this Sunderland are
>spread among the farms and homes of Chatham.  A propeller is set in concrete
>outside of the post office building.
>
>Other passengers on the flight included a Fisheries inspector and a number
>of fishermen on their way to court in Chatham, for various offenses.  Others
>were joining boats fishing in the area.
>
>A returning local asked me whare I was going, I told them I was on my way to
>Manage A big Sheep station down there, His response was....Hey Guys, this
>poor bastard is going to manage Spannerhead's place.
>
>Everyone gathered around and offered me huge sympathy, it seemsed that
>Spanner head was a well known, well judged local nutter with a ferocious
>reputation.
>
>Itr was an adventure.  Sorry about the rave but the memory of flying in that
>rattly old aircraft so far out into the Southern Ocean is one of my
>favourites. 

If you want more data about flying an Air Express Bristol Freighter
 go to http://members.tripod.com/ahsa_q/articles/bristol.htm

For a Bristol Freighter cockpit pic go to the "our Aircraft" section
of http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/aircraft/index.htm
Hit the Bristol Freighter button and click on the cockpit picture to
enlarge it. 

Cheers
Peter Cokley

Wow that plane looks remarkably like one of those air breathing fish
they call mudskippers.
David

Peter and Susan wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:03:22 +1300, "Graeme Butler"
> <taurangadolphins@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >My trip to Chatham was an adventure.
> >
> >The Bristo Freighter had huge doors in front that gave access to the cargo
> >hold.  This aircraft had a modified pod with seats and sound insulation and
> >the windows lined up with the portholes on the fusilage.
> >
> >The flight was long, 350 or 400 miles and we were not that high, 3000 feet
> >comes to mind. able to see the seas breaking anyway.
> >
> >After about four hours we sighted the island and landed on a paddock
> >airstrip and the aircraft taxied to a concrete pad.
> >
> >This pad had apparently been built after one or two incidents of the
> >aircraft sinking into the peat up to the wheel axles and having to be
> >extricated wit a great deal of difficulty.
> >
> >I went from the airstip to a very isolated sheep station, one of the oldest
> >Chatham Island homes.  In the attic were instruments, and other bits and
> >peices of a Sunderland that struck a log in the lagoon, puncturing a float
> >and then being written off by the Government.  Bits of this Sunderland are
> >spread among the farms and homes of Chatham.  A propeller is set in concrete
> >outside of the post office building.
> >
> >Other passengers on the flight included a Fisheries inspector and a number
> >of fishermen on their way to court in Chatham, for various offenses.  Others
> >were joining boats fishing in the area.
> >
> >A returning local asked me whare I was going, I told them I was on my way to
> >Manage A big Sheep station down there, His response was....Hey Guys, this
> >poor bastard is going to manage Spannerhead's place.
> >
> >Everyone gathered around and offered me huge sympathy, it seemsed that
> >Spanner head was a well known, well judged local nutter with a ferocious
> >reputation.
> >
> >Itr was an adventure.  Sorry about the rave but the memory of flying in that
> >rattly old aircraft so far out into the Southern Ocean is one of my
> >favourites.
>
> If you want more data about flying an Air Express Bristol Freighter
>  go to http://members.tripod.com/ahsa_q/articles/bristol.htm
>
> For a Bristol Freighter cockpit pic go to the "our Aircraft" section
> of http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/aircraft/index.htm
> Hit the Bristol Freighter button and click on the cockpit picture to
> enlarge it.
>
> Cheers
> Peter Cokley

Stealth Pilot <tailwind@eyeeyenetblotnetblotau.useless.decoys> wrote in
message news:3c0b5cb8.3663559@news.iinet.net.au...
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:46:41 +0800, Paul Saccani
> <safer.roads@iname.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:08:18 +1000, "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> >>It's actually only 1/2 the expression.   Used when destination is
distant or
> >>difficult to find:  "You'll need a cut lunch and a compass".   Bristol
> >>Frghtners already have the compass...
> >
> >
> >"Cut lunch and a water bag", or so I thought....
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Paul Saccani
> >some School of Applied Science
> >in Western Australia
>
> you got it.
> the idiom may have been different in the peanut areas though. :-)

I know you westerners are well behind civilisation as we and everyone else
in the civilised world  knows it,  but at least make SOME effort to keep up!
Next you'll be telling me you've never heard of Frank Whittle!

David Rahman <davidrahman@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3C0B6994.9F33F186@ns.sympatico.ca...
> Wow that plane looks remarkably like one of those air breathing fish
> they call mudskippers.

Mudskippers are much faster.

BS aside tho - a very useful a/c.

In article <3c0b5e69.7857093@news.powerup.com.au>,
petan@powerup.NOSPAM.com.au (Peter and Susan) wrote:

> For a Bristol Freighter cockpit pic go to the "our Aircraft" section
> of http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/aircraft/index.htm
> Hit the Bristol Freighter button and click on the cockpit picture to
> enlarge it. 
> 
> Cheers
> Peter Cokley

There's a few pics on my site too - including one of the aircraft that did
the Chatham's run.  If you have a look at the Sunderland page there's also
some pics of parts of that Sunderland that crashed at Te Whaanga.  The
cockpit is at Ferrymead - some other bits are at AFW.

                   Phil.

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The University of Waikato              fax ++64 7 838 4155
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:25:22 +1000, "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote:

>
>Stealth Pilot <tailwind@eyeeyenetblotnetblotau.useless.decoys> wrote in
>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:46:41 +0800, Paul Saccani
>> >On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:08:18 +1000, "RT" <r.thomas@cqu.edu.au> wrote:
>> >>It's actually only 1/2 the expression.   Used when destination is
>distant or
>> >>difficult to find:  "You'll need a cut lunch and a compass".   Bristol
>> >>Frghtners already have the compass...
>> >
>> >
>> >"Cut lunch and a water bag", or so I thought....
>> >Paul Saccani
>> >in Western Australia
>>
>> you got it.
>> the idiom may have been different in the peanut areas though. :-)
>
>I know you westerners are well behind civilisation as we and everyone else
>in the civilised world  knows it,  but at least make SOME effort to keep up!
>Next you'll be telling me you've never heard of Frank Whittle!

If he isn't a famous West Australian, what's the point?  ;P



Cheers,

Paul Saccani
some School of Applied Science
in Western Australia